AlohaJoe said:For $500 I'd say you did very well! Put some work in on the refin and you'll love it even more!
Oil finishes are beautiful and very expensive to have done! That would be a huge upgrade in my view. Correct is standing in line and doing what you're told. :lol:beinhard said:My own skills are limited to oil finish, which can be very nice, but is of course not "correct" for an S-50. beinhard
You are probably right but my experience with brass instruments is that refinishing seriously alters the tone, and not always for the better. So when you ask me if something should be refinished my knee jerk answer is always no. On the other hand, if the item has already been refinished, you can probably assess the tone as it is currently and don't really care what it might have been.guildman63 said:I think too much is made of refin versus original at times.
OK, you got my curiosity up, what's involved in refinishing brass? Plating? IF so, then say no more, I can see why it would affect tone.fronobulax said:You are probably right but my experience with brass instruments is that refinishing seriously alters the tone, and not always for the better.guildman63 said:I think too much is made of refin versus original at times.
Al,adorshki said:OK, you got my curiosity up, what's involved in refinishing brass? Plating? IF so, then say no more, I can see why it would affect tone.fronobulax said:You are probably right but my experience with brass instruments is that refinishing seriously alters the tone, and not always for the better.guildman63 said:I think too much is made of refin versus original at times.
Yep. Lacquered brass.Chazmo said:frono is mostly referring to lacquered
guildman63 said:Here is an interesting article regarding the refinishing of brass instruments.
http://www.musictrader.com/finishingvin ... hones.html
As for guitars, it would seem to me that hollow body guitars would be more likely to be negatively affected by a refin than would solid body guitars due to the potential affects on resonance. That is just me speaking logically, but not with any clear evidence to support my supposition. I have read many articles that are in direct conflict over this topic, so it is clear that my initial post was simply my personal feelings regarding whether or not it is a good idea to refin an old Guild solid body guitar. The debate rages on!
I put myself in that camp but the best quality cd's I've heard now can equal vinyl, when played on "good" equipment. In fact in one case even exceed vinyl for accurate bass presence in the line signal. For a period of time there was a lot of poorly engineered (poorly re-mastered or even "un re-mastered") cd product being rushed to market and that was definitley part of the "equation".fronobulax said:I note that there are audiophiles who claim to hear the difference between analog vinyl LPs and digital CDs. I can't hear the difference and so I have to trust them, or not, when they say there is an audible difference. I suspect the same thing is going on when it comes to refinishing brass instruments.
It's just like the digital vs analog argument. I'm sure the actual frequency differences would be measurable by oscilloscopes and spectrum analyzers, but how many people could actually hear the difference....?fronobulax said:I think it might be easier to hear a difference caused by the choice of finish (or refinish) in an acoustic guitar, but again, I have never had the chance to make the comparison for myself.
I agree. It's another one of those similarities to the collector car market, or pretty much any collectible market, refinishing inevitably lowers appraisal value. BUT that doesn't always neccessarily correlate to the selling price of a specific item, as we've seen.fronobulax said:Whether it is rational, or not, I think the marketplace, in general, values an original finish over any cosmetic or other benefits of a refinish. Think "patina" on antique furniture as another example..that seems to me to be the real driver. Rational or not, the market will punish you for refinishing so the decision comes down to a trade off between current utility and future value.
fronobulax said:Whether it is rational, or not, I think the marketplace, in general, values an original finish over any cosmetic or other benefits of a refinish. Think "patina" on antique furniture as another example.
That seems to me to be the real driver. Rational or not, the market will punish you for refinishing so the decision comes down to a trade off between current utility and future value.
ant_riv said:I think as supplies of mahogany continue to deplete, eventually any guitar made from mahogany will become "collectible" and, as guildman63 states regarding changes made to Stradivarius, eventually will achieve iconic status regardless of alterations, so long as they are well done.