Westerley D40 vs Westerley D50

Alexandre IV

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Hi everyone,

I had the chance to A-B two great guitars, a 1979 D40 and a 1975 D50. I wanted to share my impressions and maybe get some insight from other musicians who know these instruments.

I'm mostly a bluegrass flatpicker. During the test, the D40 had bluegrass 80/20 strings (med bottom, light top) and the D50 had 80/20 light, so the only difference was the smaller bass strings on the D50. I've had the D40 for awhile and it's great, but it seems to lack volume for soloing. Of course, a dread will never cut like a banjo, but still, I was wishing for a bit more zing. It seems the rosewood of the D50 really helps in that regard. The D50 didn't feel as nice in terms of balance, for strumming especially, but it's got a lot more dynamics, so when you dig in, it really comes alive. Although I enjoy the tone color of the D40, especially for rhythm playing, the D50 has that extra punch and volume for solos. The D50 was brighter then I expected and also didn't have as much bass as advertised so I'm looking forward to trying it with the med bottom configuration, or perhaps even with a phosphor bronze set. When played soft, the D50 seemed to be lacking in mids and bass, but once I got going with a thick tortoise pick, it was the gift that kept on giving! I have a feeling the D50 hasn't been played that much recently, so after I wail on it for a week or two it might open up. My D40, even though it was already 31 years old when I got it, only came alive after a few full days of playing.

So those were basically my impressions. I'll probably change my D40 for the D50, which I will use for bluegrass, and keep using my 1969 M20 for rhythm and the more intimate folk stuff. I should also mention that have not played the more recent Guild D40s and D50s.
 

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I see a first post! Welcome aboard! Interesting observations about the differences, and that you'd actually say the D50 was the better bluegrass choice.
 

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Same here!

I love my old D50. Try it with John Pearse Bluegrass gauge Phosphor Bronze. I've always thought PB strings go better with rosewood.
 

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Welcome to LTG! My D-50 does have a brighter tone than my D-55, but still has great punchy bass (with John Pearse PB lights). I find my D-50 loves to be strummed hard, easily overpowering my (weak) singing voice, but also works well for fingerpicking softer ballads. Dave
 

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Thanks for the advice twocorgis, I will try those strings for sure. I think the 80/20 work well with certain guitars, but I do look forward to trying the D50 with the phosphor bronze. Has anyone compared the Westerley era gtrs with the re-issue D40s and D50s? Everyone seems really excited about the Adi spruce tops, but I have to say, I usually prefers instruments that have been played... a lot!
 

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Welcome to the Forum!

My '77 D-50 responded very well to the 144hr ToneRite treatment. Really opened up the bass and increased sustain.

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I was thinking of suspending a small speaker from the strings, into the sound hole...and playing acoustic guitar music in it, kind of loud...what do you think...would it work the same way...mind you on the NH D50 I already have about 14 seconds of sustain, and lotsa base too....Steffan :D
 

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Alexandre IV said:
Thanks for the advice twocorgis, I will try those strings for sure. I think the 80/20 work well with certain guitars, but I do look forward to trying the D50 with the phosphor bronze. Has anyone compared the Westerley era gtrs with the re-issue D40s and D50s? Everyone seems really excited about the Adi spruce tops, but I have to say, I usually prefers instruments that have been played... a lot!

Welcome aboard Alex.... The longer you hang around us, the more you'll appreciate what a diverse crowd we are when comparing personal tastes. I really enjoyed your A/B on the D-40 & D-50 and after reading thought I'd have probably come to a different conclusion. I recently sold my D50 to another LTGer and kept the D-40 as I'm now in a 'hog' state of mind. I tried, but could not adapt, for some reason, to the Adi top which you'll find on the D-40 Bluegrass or D-50 Bluegrass models. Love that Sitka Spruce, but someone will be along shortly to sing the praises of Adi over Sitka. That's just the way it is here, and the way it should be 8) . And we're crazy about Guild pictures. Please share freely...
 

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Scratch said:
Alexandre IV said:
Thanks for the advice twocorgis, I will try those strings for sure. I think the 80/20 work well with certain guitars, but I do look forward to trying the D50 with the phosphor bronze. Has anyone compared the Westerley era gtrs with the re-issue D40s and D50s? Everyone seems really excited about the Adi spruce tops, but I have to say, I usually prefers instruments that have been played... a lot!

Welcome aboard Alex.... The longer you hang around us, the more you'll appreciate what a diverse crowd we are when comparing personal tastes. I really enjoyed your A/B on the D-40 & D-50 and after reading thought I'd have probably come to a different conclusion. I recently sold my D50 to another LTGer and kept the D-40 as I'm now in a 'hog' state of mind. I tried, but could not adapt, for some reason, to the Adi top which you'll find on the D-40 Bluegrass or D-50 Bluegrass models. Love that Sitka Spruce, but someone will be along shortly to sing the praises of Adi over Sitka. That's just the way it is here, and the way it should be 8) . And we're crazy about Guild pictures. Please share freely...

I'm right with you there when in comes to Adi vs. Sitka tops Scratch. My New Hartford D40 was so tight when I got it that I knew I had to sell it to someone who'd play it a lot more than I to get it right, and happily I found someone who's delighted with it. I also agree about hog vs. rosewood, except as it applies to my old D50. I guess it's hard to beat almost 38 years of aging like fine wine. 8)
 

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Yes, I have a feeling I will really enjoy it here!

Few questions: what would be a fair price for that 1975 D50? It's in good shape, everything original, been well taken care of, has the OHSC.

Also, when I bought my D40, it came with a Guild case which has an oval metal logo that says "made to be played". It's a weird greenish tweed color with brown leather "binding", never seen anything like it. Any idea what era this case might be from?

M20, D40 and D50 pics coming soon!!!
 

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Alexandre IV said:
Yes, I have a feeling I will really enjoy it here!

I'm sure you will!

Alexandre IV said:
Few questions: what would be a fair price for that 1975 D50? It's in good shape, everything original, been well taken care of, has the OHSC.

I'm guessing between $1000 and $1400, depending on the state of the neck set. A lot of Guild of that vintage (like mine) are ripe for a neck reset to the tune of $400 or so. It should almost be figured into the price, unless you know for sure that there's plenty of saddle left, and the action is nice and low at the 12th fret.

Alexandre IV said:
Also, when I bought my D40, it came with a Guild case which has an oval metal logo that says "made to be played". It's a weird greenish tweed color with brown leather "binding", never seen anything like it. Any idea what era this case might be from?

What year is your D40? The case you describe sounds like one of the GAD series cases. All the later Traditional Series guitars I've seen (and owned at one point) came in black Guild branded TKL cases.

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M20, D40 and D50 pics coming soon!!!

Well??? (tap tap tap) :lol:
 

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What year is your D40? The case you describe sounds like one of the GAD series cases. All the later Traditional Series guitars I've seen (and owned at one point) came in black Guild branded TKL cases.

Serial number for my D40 is Dc100409
 

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Alexandre IV said:
twocorgis said:
What year is your D40? The case you describe sounds like one of the GAD series cases. All the later Traditional Series guitars I've seen (and owned at one point) came in black Guild branded TKL cases.

Serial number for my D40 is Dc100409

That would date it to 1980 per Guild's charts, which I know aren't perfect. I don't think that's the original case though. My '73 has a case made by Ess & Ess; later models I have look like TKLs, but might be something else. The only times I've seen the green tweed cases with Guilds is with the GADs (Guild's Chinese line). As long as it fits, I wouldn't worry too much.
 

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Alexandre IV said:
Few questions: what would be a fair price for that 1975 D50? It's in good shape, everything original, been well taken care of, has the OHSC.
I'd say anywhere from $1000 to $1500, depending on condition and other intangibles. I paid $1030 for my '76 (with case). Came with a hairline crack between the pin holes which I repaired to near invisibility for <$10 (no interior bridge plate issues, so I think it was overly snug pins). Other than that, there's hardly a mark on her. A previous owner shaved the braces/tone bars, but not enough to be a structural concern. After playing her in for a year, it's about time for me to take her in for a setup and new nut/saddle (still haven't taken in my 55, and I've had her for 4 years).
Dave
 

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Welcome!
Ya know...you might have hit the nail on the head?!
I think that you may have reduced the age-old debate of rosewood v. mahogany down to a simple player's tendency (strumming versus picking). Now...sure...this is a generalization...but I bet it works for the majority of folks.
I've only been playing about ten years, mostly strumming but learning to flatpick. I've found that my personal preference keeps shifting back and forth between the two (probably with playing tendency or situation--solo vs. bluegrass band).
I have a Tacoma (Adi-top) D-50 that I love, but as others mentioned it was stiff as a rock when I got it (and to some degree still is). I had an older DV-52 for a short while...loved the strumming tone (especially with Martin Marquis silk tipped strings) but it didn't have the volume of an adirondack D-50. I am aching for a mahagony git, and I have to say...my dream is a Bourgeois Country Boy. Unfortunately my wallet doesn't match my head.
 

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I really like almost every Westerly D-40 & D-50 I've ever played. I think a preference depends not only the specific guitar (even the same models do sound dif.), but also the application. For years, I loved how my rosewood back guits sounded when playing solo, including on recordings & for the same amount of years couldn't figure out why they didn't sound as good in bands, as the recordings documented, while my mahogany backed D-40 sounded stellar in band mixes, despite having limited complexity on its own.

Pretty simple in retrospect: Mahogany-backed guitars have a focused tone & projection that's less complex than a good rosewood backed axe. But the complexity disappears with a few band members.
 
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