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It would be pretty cool to have US-made tubes again, but I have my doubts that they would ever hold up to the old ones.
 

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The world could use a source of quality 12AX7 and 12AT7 tubes. They've made the 300B tubes for a while, apparently successfully. There is a small demand for those particular tubes, but those who want them are certainly willing to pay a premium.
 

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There is a survey form Western Electric has had up for a some time now. It is supposedly to help them gauge demand and prioritise which particular tubes they should start with.

https://www.westernelectric.com/expand

You may (or may not) have to click through a number of things to reach the survey. If you see an "I'm Interested" button, you are in the right place.
 

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It would be pretty cool to have US-made tubes again, but I have my doubts that they would ever hold up to the old ones.
Agreed. You have to remember that vacuum tube development and improvement when on steadily from the early 1900's through the early 1960's with compaction tubes being one of the final new developments in tube design. (compactron tubes have been overlooked as lesser value tubes, junk tubes, but were actually electrically and mechanically rugged and some can be quality audio amplifiers) Since tubes basically "were electronics" until the end of the 50's a great deal of time and money was spent fine tuning their design and manufacturing. That kind of infrastructure is long gone.
 

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…compactron tubes have been overlooked as lesser value tubes, junk tubes, but were actually electrically and mechanically rugged and some can be quality audio amplifiers) Since tubes basically "were electronics" until the end of the 50's a great deal of time and money was spent fine tuning their design and manufacturing. That kind of infrastructure is long gone.
And one of the last amps to use the compactrons was the Ampeg Jet-12D. Unfortunately, because the specific compaction tube (6BK11) was one of the last, they are EXTREMELY hard to find and priceless to those of us who happen to own one of these amps (tremendous clean tones!).
 

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And one of the last amps to use the compactrons was the Ampeg Jet-12D. Unfortunately, because the specific compaction tube (6BK11) was one of the last, they are EXTREMELY hard to find and priceless to those of us who happen to own one of these amps (tremendous clean tones!).
I see your Jet-12D, and raise you a Fender Super Champ, made 1983-1986.
 

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Nice article. I wish them the best of luck.

In the meantime…

Dale Rogalski at vacuumtubes.net and Brent Jessee at audiotubes.com are super resources with high quality vintage tubes.
 
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I always thought Mesa Boogie had US made tubes but apparently not.

Some old Australian amps use 6DQ6A as output valves (in Aus we call them valves).
These were also used for horizontal hold in old TV’s.
 

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I always thought Mesa Boogie had US made tubes but apparently not.
Mesa and Groove Tubes were only sorters/rebranders of tubes.

The only vacuum tubes in current production are in Russia (Reflektor and and Saratov factories rebranded under a lot of names, many owned by Mike Matthews/E-H), China (mostly Shuguang factory) and Slovakia (JJ).
 

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I see your Jet-12D, and raise you a Fender Super Champ, made 1983-1986.
I have one, and I've stocked up on GE and RCA NOS 6C10s.

I think that would be really cool. In conjunction with the U.S. effort to support domestic manufacturing (chips), this is an ideal opportunity to get a unique sector like this established stateside.
 

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I have one, and I've stocked up on GE and RCA NOS 6C10s.
They really are great amps. I have a strong suspicion that all 6C10 tubes were made by GE regardless of marking.
 

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New tubes have rarely if ever surpassed the quality and longevity of old USA and "other" tubes, such as Mullard, Telefunken, Genalex, etc.

Are tubes now actually coming from the former Soviet Union?
 

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Are tubes now actually coming from the former Soviet Union?
There was an interruption in supply, that caused a big spike in the price of tubes immediately after the invasion of Ukraine. Prices have come back down, but I'm not certain if that's because Russian tubes are available again, or whether Slovakia/China picked up the slack.
 

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The US made tubes in the past had a harder vacuum than modern tubes, one of the reasons they lasted longer.
 

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Still unsure there's actual export/import of Russian tubes right now, seeing jokes like this online only confirms it.

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The US made tubes in the past had a harder vacuum than modern tubes, one of the reasons they lasted longer.
"Harder" and "Softer" vacuum was a marketing term invented by Aspen Pittman, Huckster, RIP. I believe he was trying to invent a term to reflect how much C voltage was required to bias the tube at idle, aka how much drive the tube would require to attain maximum amplifier output. 6L6 and 6550 types require greater voltage, EL34 and EL84 require substantially less. This has to do with the geometry of the tube innards, and not with vacuum depth inside the tube.

All vacuum tubes - audio ones, at least, are pumped down and sealed at around 10-6 millibar. A "getter" is then flashed, which absorbs any residual gas. That's the silver you see on the glass. If the vacuum was 'softer,' the getter would turn white, and the tube wouldn't work.

Old stock tubes made in the US, Europe, Japan lasted longer because they were made with premium materials with well maintained, fresh tooling in a competitive marketplace. None of that applies now.
 
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