The new DS-240 Memoir?

SFIV1967

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Ralf, I'm absolutely positive that in the past Hans has stated that inner layers of the laminate were usually some "filler" wood such as poplar, in Westerly, anyway.
O.k., I see what you quoted in that post #10 there. However I also looked at a different post from Hans and he didn't disagree what West said there, see Post #2 and #3 here: http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?156268-D15m-has-a-plywood-back
Hence I assumed that was correct what West said for most Guild laminated backs.

Here's another picture of the press, but that does not look to me like a 60ies machine. Unless the left side, the actual metal press is a Hoboken part and the right side is from the mid 80ies.

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O.k., I see what you quoted in that post #10 there. However I also looked at a different post from Hans and he didn't disagree what West said there, see Post #2 and #3 here: http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?156268-D15m-has-a-plywood-back
Hence I assumed that was correct what West said for most Guild laminated backs.
Wild. (And thanks for going along in the same spirit with my "search for the truth" )

Absent explanation from Hans, I'd have to conclude that in his usual fashion, he was narrowly addressing a specific model and build period, even though Jim said "All the arched back models" which Hans clearly contradicted in the post I cited, and which Chaz seems to contradict in that same thread with his posts about his F50r (which granted is a highly unusual case, being very limited production in that arched back form and even "experimental" at the time).
As well, that thread shows lots of incidences of folks having negative connotations associated with the term "plywood", which is addressed by Killdeer in post #19, plywood and laminated are the same thing, but to most people "plywood" means "cheap low quality wood"
Also, your search Fu is magnificent as usual and I heartily recommend that thread because it is one of the best explorations of Guild's laminating methods even if some of those questions remain unresolved to this day, or at least in that thread.
I also want to point out that since that thread I've become much better educated about the principles of back function, it is primarily reflective and whatever's in the center layer(s) of a laminate is irrelevant.
Here's another picture of the press, but that does not look to me like a 60ies machine.

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I can see that the control panel looks like later tech (the "LED" numeric displays), but that numeric display "look" was available in the early '70s' and the control panel could be upgraded in any case.
Not that it proves my point, I just think the only way to know for sure is to get a manufacturer's name and model from it if possible.
Form another perspective, the real point is that Guild was producing laminated pressed backs from day one, regardless of what the specific machine they used was.
The actual press looks old enough to my eyes, but I'm no expert.
Edit: Note that "Industrial Turquoise" color was also so generic in the '60's that even Heathkit used it:
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O.k., I see what you quoted in that post #10 there. However I also looked at a different post from Hans and he didn't disagree what West said there, see Post #2 and #3 here: http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?156268-D15m-has-a-plywood-back
Hence I assumed that was correct what West said for most Guild laminated backs.

Here's another picture of the press, but that does not look to me like a 60ies machine. Unless the left side, the actual metal press is a Hoboken part and the right side is from the mid 80ies.

IMG_0366-2_syzdjh


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Just to follow up on the arched back press. (for those who didn't read the discussion, this is in Oxnard and has nothing to do with the DS-240 Memoir).
Guild stated again that the press in Oxnard is from the 80ies and was already used in Westerly. Also at LMG I a couple of members who attended reported the press came from the Westerly factory, not Hoboken. Anyway, here's a new picture from the Oxnard factory showing the press, which was made by Wabash Metal Products, Inc. in Wabash, Indiana. https://www.wabashmpi.com/
You see the Wabash company logo under the press just left of the Titebond bottle:

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Guild stated again that the press in Oxnard is from the 80ies and was already used in Westerly. Also at LMG I a couple of members who attended reported the press came from the Westerly factory, not Hoboken. Anyway, here's a new picture from the Oxnard factory showing the press, which was made by Wabash Metal Products, Inc. in Wabash, Indiana. https://www.wabashmpi.com/
Thank you Ralf!
I don't think there was ever any question about it coming from Westerly, but personally I only wondered just how far back it went.
After all, the very first products from Guild were jazz hollow-bodies with arched tops and backs and not all of 'em were carved so they must have been using something to build those, or the backs of F50's and F40's at the very least, right?
So it appears whatever they used originally must have been replaced or at least supplemented with this one then, in the '80's.
 
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this slope dread sounds fantastic in the video on the guild site.
 
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