The Monkees and Neil Young

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And Stills and Dewey Martin on another cut!??!!!

My head is reeling at the prospect of a Monkees/Buffalo Springfield mash-up.
 

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"You and I" by the Monkees with Neil Young (1969) adding his acid rock guitar!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfZifyxc9r0&list=PLvVH5P784fdksNiTBpTdaRgGfc3G_h8aw
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WOW, just, Wow.
Thanks buddy, I thought I'd seen it all on a couple of their fansites, even the debunked myths, and nary a mention of Neil Young..
Why wasn't this a big hit??
Well, let's face it, in the wake of the "Head" debacle, they weren't gettin' any airplay even on AM and probably zilch promotional support from the record company...this was on Instant Replay released in '69 and 13-16 year old wanna-be ultra-cool longhairs like me had already sold off our Monkees albums as "bubblegum"....
The hippies had basically outgrown 'em, thought they were teenyboppers, and the teenyboppers didn't get 'em anymore...and no TV show to showcase the new stuff either.
You just sent me off on another Wikipedia-fueled review of Monkees connections and that reveals Dewey Martin and Steven Stills on "Do I Have to do This All Over Again" in Head from '68 so I'm guessing maybe that led to the introduction to Neil.
In fact the session dates for "You and I" are from June to September of '68, right about the time mess'rs Martin, Stills, and Young would have had a lot of spare time on their hands following Buffalo Springfield's implosion.
Another thing that occurs to me is what Instant Replay it was up against in February '69:
The rapid encroachment of FM on AM top 40 audiences as they matured, with the increasing popularity of "heavy" bands:
In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, 6 moths old, was still selling like gangbusters.
Cheap Thrills, only 4 months old, was too...
Creedence released Bayou Country January of '69: "Proud Mary" and "Born on the Bayou"
In fact Fogerty himself says of their first single "Suzie Q", also still getting heavy airplay at 6 months old at the time:
Fogerty stated in a 1993 interview with Rolling Stone magazine that his purpose in recording "Susie Q" was to get the song played on KMPX, a funky progressive-rock radio station in San Francisco, which is why the song was extended to eight minutes in length. "'Suzie Q' was designed to fit right in," he explained. "The eight-minute opus. Feedback. Like [the Paul Butterfield Blues Band's] "East-West." And especially the little effect, the little telephone-box [vocal] in the middle, which is the only part I regret now. It's just funny sounding. But, lo and behold, it worked!"
Yellow Submarine the movie and the soundtrack released in January '69, and let me tell you, George's "It's All Too Much" and "Only a Northern Song" were, uh, "instrumental" in my handing my Monkees albums down to my 6-year old brother.
Led Zeppelin released January '69
Bless It's Pointed Little HeadFebruary '69
Blood Sweat and Tears December '68 and featuring AM monster hit "Spinning Wheel"
Speaking of AM and top 40:
"I Heard it Through the Grapevine" had just finished 4 weeks at number 1 on January 4th '69.
"Wichita Lineman" was in there at #4
"Son of a Preacher Man" was at 18
"Magic Carpet Ride" was at 24
By February 1st "Crimson and Clover" by Tommy James and the Shondells had finally knocked "Grapevine" out of first place.
"Touch Me" by the Doors was at #4
"Hang "em High" was at 13
Well, i could go on forever but you probably knew that, let's just say this is only the tip of the iceburg of stuff already released while the Monkees were in being buried, before we even get to later in the year releases like 3 Dog Night's heyday and the 5th Dimensions's "Aquarius", and Crosby Stills and Nash.
And then there was Woodstock, the festival, and nothing was ever the same again....
And for a young longhair there simply wasn't enough money for everything he wanted let alone the Monkees.
Ok, go ahead, admit it, you were just hopin' I'd launch another nostalgia fest here, weren'tcha?
Happy to oblige and as a weekend appetizer here's a link to the Billboard weekly top 40 for '69:
https://weeklytop40.wordpress.com/1969-all-charts/
 

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And Stills and Dewey Martin on another cut!??!!!

My head is reeling at the prospect of a Monkees/Buffalo Springfield mash-up.

Was composing that opus I just posted when you made that comment, but Stills and Tork were actually buddies going way back, in case you hadn't seen those threads here before.
The Martin thing was new to me too, though and got me wondering.
In fact I see he was in the Standells and the Dillards for a while, too.
But I think it was just a coincidence of timing and them being available as I described.
Didja also catch the Chip Douglas/Turtles DNA?
I see that Wiki has Monkees song session info now on everything I looked at.
Going by session dates, it seems like late '67 to mid '68 maybe all the mutual buddies saw the writing on the wall about their bands' futures and took advantage of availability for sessions and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the idea of a mashup was tossed around.
I suspect what happened was Mess'rs Stills and Crosby got introduced to Mr. Nash and promptly started making other plans, along with the fact that Nesmith was already basically "out" and Tork was about to follow.
When Replay was released they were already gone, and Neil Young was released on a competing label in January of '69 as well.
I'm betting his label's publicist wouldn't have wanted to dilute sales of that by mentioning his presence on a competing label's release, and that's probably why it escaped attention for all these years.
 
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Nice memories, Al!
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Jeff? Don't stay here lookin' them Billboard charts all weekend, ok?
In fact, whoah, how about that, I just saw that the Monkees came in at #100 with "Good Clean Fun" in the week ending September 21st, while "Sugar Sugar" and "Honky Tonk Women" were battling it out for #1.
Followed by "Green River", "A Boy Named Sue" and "Easy To Be Hard", and the theme from "Midnight Cowboy" 's at #8.
"Good Clean Fun" isn't on the following week's chart.
FWIW I think a good case could be made for 3 Dog Night being the band that filled the Monkee's vacated niche.
I liked "Eli's Comin'".
More "if they only knew what was comin' " sightings:
"Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" breaks in at #86 in week of October 4th '69.
"I Want You Back" breaks in at #90 in week of November 15th.
Don't forget to take a break and get something to eat, ok?
In fact I think I'll do that myself now...see ya Monday!
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Was composing that opus I just posted when you made that comment, but Stills and Tork were actually buddies going way back, in case you hadn't seen those threads here before.

I was in on some of those threads - I know you taught me some things about the Tork/Stills connection in the zoo that was L.A. and Laurel Canyon. What I didn't know was the Neil Young/Dewey Martin connection to the Monkees. Gotta love LTG - hang around and you'll learn something new every week or two.
 

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Al, I thought you wanted me to memorize them all - thanks for letting me off the hook!

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Al, I thought you wanted me to memorize them all - thanks for letting me off the hook!
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Naahhh... I just had to lay some bait for Clay (Westerly Wood) too.
And GJ, just couldn't remember if you'd been in on those threads, but you be careful around Wikipedia yourself, ok?
I just found this out about their 4th album, out for example:
"The album was the earliest to make use of the Moog synthesizer, which Dolenz introduced to the group and played in the studio; he owned one of the first twenty ever sold.[5] Along with the Doors' September 1967 album Strange Days,"Their Satanic Majesties Request" by the Rolling Stones in December, and Simon & Garfunkel's Bookends the following year, Pisces was one of the first commercial recordings featuring the Moog to reach a wide audience."
 

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See the link below - they weren't the first, but close. Interestingly, Hal Blaine (of the Wrecking Crew) beat them with his solo album...

http://moogfoundation.org/moog-a-history-in-recordings-by-thom-holmes-part-two/

And let's give The Beatles honorable mention, not the first, but certainly the most "heard", they used it on four songs on Abbey Road.

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Just goes ta show, ya still gotta cross-check them fanboys on Wiki.

I nominate this one as the one that really busted open the doors for Moogs, though:
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Can't argue with that - whenever I hear that song, I've always waited in anticipation for that totally dissonant Moog solo to arrive!

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Speaking of The Monkees, their first "new" album since '96, Good Times! just dropped. The brilliant Adam Schlesinger from Fountains of Wayne produced it.
 

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I nominate this one as the one that really busted open the doors for Moogs, though:
emerson%20lake%20palmer%206014041.jpg

When it comes to rock & roll, yep. My next door neighbor's oldest kid, who was into electronics, got a copy of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach for Christmas in '68. That was a mindblower for all us young(er) 'uns!

-Dave-
 
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