Tesla Warranty

[gjmalcyon]

And it looks like the first Tesla Lemon-Law suit has been filed: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/07/tesla-lemon-law/7439547/

 

[FNG]

From CNN-Money website Apr 26, 2013:

Tesla offers idiot-proof battery warranty
Tesla Motors is offering a new "no fault" warranty on the batteries in its Model S sedans in a bid to entice more buyers to try its all-electric luxury car.
The battery is covered even if an owner fails to follow charging guidelines laid out in the owners' manual. "Any product that needs a manual to work is broken," Musk said.

The only cases in which Tesla (TSLA) would not honor a battery warranty would be a case in which a customer deliberately attempted to damage or destroy the battery, he said.

"If you take a blow-torch to the battery pack or blow it up or use it for target practice" the warranty would be voided, Musk said. Also, of course Tesla would not cover battery damage resulting from a crash. Car insurance will have to pay for that.

I still can't find an example of Musk whining about anything though.

It means that you cannot let a Tesla car completely discharge, because if it does, then the battery is shot. You can't even roll the car. Battery replacement runs 32 to 40K. I'm glad Tesla will now cover it, but they didn't at first, and some say went to great lengths to hide this pretty significant design flaw.

So if we do have a zombie apocolpyse, in no time flat you will have a Tesla brick. Unless of course you are able to find a solar charging station, and then wait for 12 hours and hold off the zombies.

If you listen to Musk talk about his inability to sell directly in numerous states, and how his desire to sell direct conflicts with the dealer mafia, and how he wants his mafia to give him a carveout because he doesn't want to pay the skim, that sounds like whining. Bringing Christie and his little bridge dust up into the arguement is a serious tell at who he's playing to.

 

[adorshki]

It means that you cannot let a Tesla car completely discharge, because if it does, then the battery is shot. You can't even roll the car. Battery replacement runs 32 to 40K. I'm glad Tesla will now cover it, but they didn't at first, and some say went to great lengths to hide this pretty significant design flaw.

Fair enough, and Rush Limbaugh was all over it last year.
Actually Rush was claiming that the total cost of parts and installation rendered replacement unfeasible, the car was basically a write-off.
In fact, originally I was going to say that it is spelled out in the owner's manual, but decided to do a quick Google search before posting, and that article even took me by surprise.

So if we do have a zombie apocolpyse, in no time flat you will have a Tesla brick. Unless of course you are able to find a solar charging station, and then wait for 12 hours and hold off the zombies.

Granted if you're not able to get to a station you might be in some deep doodoo. But you'd only need to hold 'em off for a couple of hours. Still, I can think of other stuff I'd rather do for a couple of hours.
Then afterward you'd have to plow through the ravening mob of politi...., er, zombies to safety .
Now that I think about it, it'd probably only take the smart ones a couple of weeks to figure out that all they had to do was stake out the charging stations like lions at a watering hole anyway. :eek-new:

If you listen to Musk talk about his inability to sell directly in numerous states, and how his desire to sell direct conflicts with the dealer mafia, and how he wants his mafia to give him a carveout because he doesn't want to pay the skim, that sounds like whining. Bringing Christie and his little bridge dust up into the arguement is a serious tell at who he's playing to.

Fair enough, good citation. Didn't know he'd named Christie and will leave it at that.
The other issue reminds me of Henry Ford having to "apply" to the automobile cartel of his era for a "license" to build his cars because they held "the patent" on "the automobile".

 

[rampside]

Hallelujah!...nothing like a good o' revival meetin', fraught with ludicrousness to perk things up around here.:glee:
Had me worried that, this forum was taking a downward slide into the depths of distillation.:concern:

Thanks guys!

 

[fronobulax]

Hallelujah!...nothing like a good o' revival meetin', fraught with ludicrousness to perk things up around here.:glee:
Had me worried that, this forum was taking a downward slide into the depths of distillation.:concern:

Thanks guys!

So that makes me an evil spoilsport when someone crosses The Line and this thread gets Moderated?

But all this zombie apocalypse and warranty talk makes me wonder about Guild's lifetime warranty? When I fail to outrun them because Pascal has a 'Vette (remember you don't have to run faster than a zombie, just faster that the slowest person in the crowd) and "cross over" will they still honor the warranty as long as there is enough muscle left to make a bar chord?

 

[gilded]

So that makes me an evil spoilsport when someone crosses The Line and this thread gets Moderated?

But all this zombie apocalypse and warranty talk makes me wonder about Guild's lifetime warranty? When I fail to outrun them because Pascal has a 'Vette (remember you don't have to run faster than a zombie, just faster that the slowest person in the crowd) and "cross over" will they still honor the warranty as long as there is enough muscle left to make a bar chord?

Jamie, are you volunteering to find out??

 

[killdeer43]

a downward slide into the depths of distillation.:

I like that, Terry. It has a certain ring to it. :tranquillity:

Joe

 

[adorshki]

But all this zombie apocalypse and warranty talk makes me wonder about Guild's lifetime warranty? ....will they still honor the warranty as long as there is enough muscle left to make a bar chord?

One must remember that "Lifetime" works two ways, it means the manufacturer's lifetime as well.
So if the tempting target of New Hartford, with several meals conveniently confined in a building, is overrun before you are, it'd be moot anyway.

 

[adorshki]

In a completely new direction, and in perhaps a definitive case of history repeating itself, I'm recalling that ol' Nikola Tesla himself had a tremendous struggle before AC current finally won the battle for acceptance as a national transmission standard.
Besides the rivalry between Westinghouse and Edison over the transmission standard itself, (AC vs DC), a behind-the-scenes struggle was also being played out due to the rivalry between JP Morgan (backing Edison Electric) and John D Rockefeller, owning natural gas producer Standard Oil.
In fact gasoline was originally a waste by-product of kerosene and natural gas production.
So electric power generators themselves faced opposition from natural gas providers (Anybody recall the term "Gaslight)?, and yet, one of the arguments was that it was much safer compared to the incendiary potentials inherent in pressurized natural gas transmission pipelines.
We'll now take a break for some light entertainment:



(this link was to a video of the Propellerheads' "History Repeating")
Next?
:tranquillity:

 

[FNG]

John Rockefeller and Standard Oil saved the world's whale population from extinction.

I think John D make his claim in kerosene used to light homes. He moved on to gasoline later, and not sure how much he was into natural gas.

 

[adorshki]

John Rockefeller and Standard Oil saved the world's whale population from extinction.

Yeah despite the 'shock value" of the statement a good case could be made for that because of the kerosene thing, as you mentioned. (For those who didn't know it basically replaced whale oil as a lamp fuel)

I think John D make his claim in kerosene used to light homes. He moved on to gasoline later, and not sure how much he was into natural gas.

Yeah basically correct. Kerosene did still dominate home lighting at the time.
Gasoline didn't start to displace diesel as a motor fuel until a better carburetor was developed.
Then he finally had a market for what had been a "useless" fraction of oil refining/kerosene distillation.
The natural gas/gas light thing was relevant because an initial big customer for electricity was antcipated to be public utilities.
I might be mistaken in some of the details, I'm recalling background that was covered in the "Men Who Built America" series on PBS. Fascinating stuff.

 

[FNG]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1400077303/ref=redir_mdp_mobile

Good read.....

 

[adorshki]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1400077303/ref=redir_mdp_mobile
Good read.....

Well, looks like this one might be finally yawnin' itself out, but thanks!

 

[bluesypicky]

Well, looks like this one might be finally yawnin' itself out, but thanks!

Ya-gotta-be-jokin rite?

We can't go back to this:

this forum was taking a downward slide into the depths of distillation.:concern:

...so how did it happen?.... ya just got up one morning and thought: "I gotta to git me a Milan..." ? :laughing:

 

[FNG]

You don't read books?

 

[adorshki]

...so how did it happen?.... ya just got up one morning and thought: "I gotta to git me a Milan..." ? :laughing:

The Milan was an "unplanned" purchase after the beloved T-Bird SuperCoupe was t-boned.
Now THERE was a true "Gentleman's Hot Rod" as they say.
A supercharged 3.8 liter V6 yielding 315 ft-lbs of torque all in at 2200rpm, but I've told that story before...it was Ford's highest ouput motor for 2 years ('89-'90), even out-powered the 5.0 V-8.
Arizona Highway Patrol even had 'em in pursuit duty for a coupla years, no special updates needed, it was good enough to be a "police package" outta the box...I even used to get 24mpg out of it pretty consistently, basically by stayin' outta the boost, with a heavy duty 4psd auto with lock-up OD 4th gear.
Limited slip, IRS, 4 wheel disc ABS, automatic electronic adjusting shocks, (actually I used to just leave it in "Firm" all the time) dual exhaust, distributorless ignition, special block casting and bottom end to handle the supercharger pressure, rack & pinion steering, 16" wheels with special springs and sway bars to match, that thing even cornered flatter than the 5 RX-7's I had before I got it.
It's Achilles Heel was that by 2005 several of the computer boards (ABS, electronic ride control, spark timing) modules and a couple of mechanical bits (ABS master cylinder, electronic shocks) were out of production and nobody was making aftermarket replacements. I kept it absolutely bone-stock so I used to worry about every little hiccup.
The Milan is boringly reliable (bought a "Certified Pre-owned"), but at least it has the turning radius of a pregnant sow. Ahh, the glories of FWD. Even if I DO have a diff at the rear and IRS. In fact if it hadn't at least been All Wheel Drive I woulda been forced to keep shopping.
I was on a mission to buy a car in one day, Ford was at the top of the list, the T-bird was almost undriveable (in fact the Ford used car guy asked me how I managed to get it there since the two front tires were no longer in parallel planes and the passenger was wandering a bit on top of that....but hey, that's where we separate the drivers from the sane folks, right?)(OK, I did head out the door early on a Sunday morning so that I'd be sharin' the road with as few people as possible, just in case....)
I'm lookin' at BMWs for the next one, wanna get the Milan paid off first.
Caddy CTS is actually gettin' the eye too.
Wonder how Tesla owners'll feel about their cars in 20 years?

 

[bluesypicky]

I knew there was something wrong with that picture. The challenge to yourself to buy a car today.
Hurry and trade that bore in. Boring vehicles belong to non-car-lover people. You're an F1 fan for crying out loud!
Plenty of aunts Odile out there who will be perfectly happy with it and its pregnant sow characteristics.

I hear the CTS is great. So are beemers but maintenance on German cars is highway robbery. (Price tags aren't bad either...)

 

[FNG]

But what about the grandchildren? ???

 

[twocorgis]

I hear the CTS is great. So are beemers but maintenance on German cars is highway robbery. (Price tags aren't bad either...)

Just so we have this straight Pascal, Beemers are two wheeled BMWs, Bimmers are four wheeled ones. I'm on BMW number three now, and find the maintenance on them to be no worse than most cars these days, although I do change my own oil, plugs and the like. All three of mine have been quite dependable as well. Cadillac CTS' on the other hand, haven't exactly gotten glowing marks for reliability, though they seem to be nice cars to drive otherwise.

 

[FNG]

But what about the grandchildren? ????? Lol