S-90 number two

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Here's the stripped, refinished '72 Guild S-90 I just traded for. It arrived in the original case. Never even seen one of these. Whoever did the work did it well. The natural look works. Beautiful wood. Just for visuals alone, thumbs up.

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Condition is excellent. Shiny everything, especially the pickups. Frets appear to be level and in excellent condition. Plenty of adjustment room on the bridge. Here's where my previous S -90/100 experience comes in handy. My first S-90 vexed me at first, somewhat narrow board, quite stiff playing with my usual .11s. What worked on that one was a custom set, .105 high E, .13 B, .17 G, can't remember on the bass strings. And it works here as well. A point off on the original tuners. They are beautiful, and do hold tune. But a couple are really stiff, to the point my hands are sore changing strings. The back of the neck feels very different, better than either of the other S body Guilds I had. The minimal finish (tung oil?) and a little guitar polish means no drag, easy to move the left hand around.

Lowered the action, got it just about right. But still not feeling perfect. Then saw why. The bass strings stay in place. Low E had popped out on my other S-90. Not here, as the E and A saddles have been modded:

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That solved one problem, but created another. Those two saddles are just a bit lower than before, changing the radius of strings. Net effect is, when the bridge height is set just right for the outer strings, the D and G are a bit high. Time for a tech visit. Whatever effort and expense it will take to maximize playability will be worth it, because:

These old pickups KICK. Didn't have the stock ones on the S-100. Did on the S-90, which had an amazing neck p/u, almost unusable microphonic bridge. On this one, both are just outstanding, top to bottom, no microphonics, no problems.

Sure looks different without the Guild name:
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I'm liking it!
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Congrats. Looks great!

I'm so intrigued to play & hear a Guild with the HB-1s myself as everyone seems to rave about them. Only issue that I can see is that most HB-1 equipped Guild also seem to have a very thin neck which I find very difficult to live with.
 

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Zelja:

The HB-1s are on other Guilds I believe, SF IV/V/VI, thunderbirds? Not sure. The "thin neck" description is not without merit. I wouldn't say this S-90 neck is my favorite, but it works in its own way. There's a resonance in the body of these old mahogany planks - and a certain sound from this bridge setup - that makes them worth adapting too. Most of all, it's they way this body/set-up interacts with the powerful HB-1 pickups.

My first S-90 had some issues. Didn't address them, didn't keep it long. Used it once at practice before trading it. And after that, heard some clips from practice and felt sick I'd let it go. Neck p/u only on both, through an old Ampeg Gemini:

Slide, open E:
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=8996245
Standard tuning
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=8996246

Everybody searches for that holy Grail PAF neck p/u, with no mud, clarity and power. Well here it is. And at least in the solidbody mahogany format, it wakes up even more when you dig in harder with the right hand, down near the bridge. That's why this already real nice S-90 is worth getting even better.
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So you're saying HB1's sound great?... I'll have to give them a try. :lol:
Reading your enthusiastic post reminds me of my first contact with them, definitely a humbucker for the History books IMO. And wait till you get a chance to test the mini HB1's.... :wink:
Your guitar is beautiful and nice samples btw... love the slide tone. :D
Now just restore it to it's full pride with the Guild headstock logo and you're all set! 8)
This individual saddle mod gave me an idea... I might give it a try with a small nut that fits the thread, by giving it the right slot depth and see if it fixes the high E popping issue when playing finger style (debated before round here somewhere)...
 

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Bluespicky:

Thank you for your kind comment. That saddle mod definitely works, at least on the bass side. No more strings popping out. If the tech who did the work had use just a touch larger little slotted block, it would have been perfect. As it is, a major upgrade over the stock setup.

Wish I had that stock logo ...

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Nice work MD,love that body/pickguard colour contrast. Nothing beats those HB1`S.
We might have to start up a S-90 owners club as well.
 

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Hey mad dog, thanks for posting the clips, great stuff & very instructive. Yeah, those tones still show a fair bit of bite & none of the flubbiness you often get on neck HBs. My favourite HBs to date are TV Jones Classic Plus Filtertrons and Powertron - also dig some mini HBs made by Zhangbucker. Seems the HB-1s may have something similiar with the tighter bass & more highs than standard HBs.

I still have one guitar with a narrow (1 5/8") neck, a Shergold Modulator - might need to dig it out & see how much that neck actually bugs me & then convince myself to get a 70s S-90/S-100. Like you say, there's lots to recommend an old mahogany plank!
 

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Your guitar looks a lot like my reissue with the hand rubbed finish.

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I'm looking at putting Zhangbuckers in mine.

I would actually prefer the 2 knob config.

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Great pics!

I love being able to see the grain of the wood.

Really beautiful! I hope you've been able to take some time and enjoy it.
 

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Ant:

Have to agree on the wood grain. So pretty. The other two solidbody Guilds I had came with opaque finishes, so you couldn't see the wood. Sure is one dense piece of mahogany.

Got the bridge sorted out, with the help of a most kind LTG member. So now action is just right. This is an unusual guitar in many ways. Looks kinda SG like but doesn't feel like that or sound like that. Sure is an interesting find.

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Thanks to local forum member hagmeat, I played my first HB-1 equipped Guild on Sunday. He brought his S-90 & we played it at a nice volume (my neighbours are very understanding :D ) through my '64 Fender Vibrolux Reverb & through my Valvetech Hayseed 30 (Vox AC30 clone).

I was very smitten with the tones coming out of the amps - loved the sparkling cleans with both pickups on & also the grunt with clarity on the bridge PU when we pushed the Hayseed. Had lots of fun with Who riffs (Pete should have had one of these instead of the SG!) and just generally mucking around. The semi-overdriven tones were to die for - just about the perfect sound for me. Needless to say, I'm now very keen to get an S-100 or S-90.

The neck thinness, was surprisingly to me, not a problem & the string spacing was quite good (my paranoia about 1 5/8" necks comes from my Shergold Modulator which I've had for years but I re-measured it & it's probably less than that & the string spacing is much less then the S-90).

We had a great time which is directly as a result of LTG as we didn't know each other previously & met through the forum. We'll be doing this again soon as hagmeat has an S-100, an M80 & a an S-60 I think. Hopefully I'll have my SFIV & my recently bought CE-100D by then.

Sorry if I've taken this OT but I just wanted to say HB-1s & S-90s/S-100s rule! 8)
 

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Zelja:

This place will cost you money for sure! Happy to hear another Guild solidbody/HB-1 convert in the making. These p/us are unusual, such a different flavor from my other HB favorites. This S-90 is the only guitar I've ever tried where you can get a certain amount of Flying V middle position vibe with enough volume. (As an Albert King fan forever, this is serendipity indeed.) Some of it is this dense little plank of mahogany ... but most I think is the pickups.

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mad dog said:
This place will cost you money for sure!

I told hagmeat as I bid him farewell "thanks for coming over but you've cost me money" as I'm dead keen on getting an S-100 now! :lol:

I've got some really nice guitars but I loved the sound coming out of his S-90. I agree about the "mahogany plank" thing - one of my really good mahogany + maple guitars is in danger of being sold to make room for a Guild electric.

The HB-1s though seem to be the key ingredient. I measured the DC resistance & Inductance of the HB-1s - about 6.8/6.9 k ohms & 3.6 Henries respectively (these measurements were done with the PUs in the guitar connected to the volume/tone circuit so actual values would probably be a few percent higher). The inductance is key in understanding the frequency response of a pickup, I think. The higher the inductance the more middy a PU will be & it will have less high end. Most PAF style HBs are 5 about Henries or even more for the hotter ones. Even a single coil P90 is 5 or 6 Henries. Strat & tele single coil PUs would generally be in the high 2s or low 3s. Probably my favourite HB PU has been my TV Jones Classic Plus filtertron style PU which has a value of 3.7 Henries - it also has a lot of clarity & sparkle. I don't think that's a co-incidence. Specs aren't everything but can be a reasonable guide, especially among PUs of similar style construction.

Now, to find an S-100...
 

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Are you sure you measured Henries, and not milli-Henries (mH) or micro-Henries (uH)?

Kostas
 

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Love the look of the natural mahogany! I have an S-300D in natural and an S-60D in cherry.
The hand-rubbed and satin finishes are my favorite though! The grain definitely shows better.

I haven't ever played a guitar with the Guild pups, that I can remember. What pups would you compare them to?

Can't really afford to have S-100 GAS right now!
 

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Zelja said:
Thanks to local forum member hagmeat, I played my first HB-1 equipped Guild on Sunday. He brought his S-90 & we played it at a nice volume (my neighbours are very understanding :D ) through my '64 Fender Vibrolux Reverb & through my Valvetech Hayseed 30 (Vox AC30 clone).

I was very smitten with the tones coming out of the amps - loved the sparkling cleans with both pickups on & also the grunt with clarity on the bridge PU when we pushed the Hayseed. Had lots of fun with Who riffs (Pete should have had one of these instead of the SG!) and just generally mucking around. The semi-overdriven tones were to die for - just about the perfect sound for me. Needless to say, I'm now very keen to get an S-100 or S-90.

The neck thinness, was surprisingly to me, not a problem & the string spacing was quite good (my paranoia about 1 5/8" necks comes from my Shergold Modulator which I've had for years but I re-measured it & it's probably less than that & the string spacing is much less then the S-90).

We had a great time which is directly as a result of LTG as we didn't know each other previously & met through the forum. We'll be doing this again soon as hagmeat has a 1971 S-100, a 1971 S-90, a 1977 M80 & a 1974 S-50. Hopefully I'll have my SFIV & my recently bought CE-100D by then.

Sorry if I've taken this OT but I just wanted to say HB-1s & S-90s/S-100s rule! 8)

Hi Zelja, no probs mate, I enjoyed hearing the S-90 through your amps.
My `71 S-100 should be back from the luthier by next weekend,I went and had a look at it yesterday and was very impressed, it`s turning out better than I expected.
Cheers Mate
 
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