Ridgemont's Standard Series F30R Review

Ridgemont

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I had some time today to go to my favorite Guild dealer (Guitar Resurrection) to check out their latest acquisition: a Standard Series F30R.

When I entered the store I saw it buried among their massive collection of Traditional Guilds. I noticed the differences in the finish right away when comparing it to the Trad. D50 and D55. The F30R, while still very glossy, had somewhat of an unfinished look to it as opposed to a darker stain/finish on the D50 and D55. Personally, I was not very impressed by the dull unfinished look of the glossy rosewood, but that was not going to stop me from giving it a closer exam. The top had pristine even and tight graining and a nice creamy color to it, but slightly more yellow that the off-white coloring on the Red spruce cousins. The neck (satin finish) also had an unfinished look to it, as opposed to the darker red tinting you find on the mahogany satin Martin necks. The bone nut was definitely 1&3/4" with a modern feel. The neck was not chunky like my F30 or the Trad. F30. I would place it closer to a GAD neck, but slightly larger if I had to guess. Since the neck is satin and the body is nitro, it appeared that each piece was finished separately before putting on the neck. I guess this means no more cracking of the finish when it comes time for a reset. It had a modest center strip on the back (I can't remember what) and the ivroid body binding. I personally like the touch of white or ivroid binding on a guitar as it really provides a nice contrast. Overall, the construction was flawless. The guitar was pretty light, but that is something I had noticed with my late '90s F30 as well as the Trad F30 hanging in the store. It had the feel of a perfectly constructed guitar.

So then I sit down to strum and pick......HOT DAMN! I was not expecting what I heard. On second thought I should not be surprised. It is a $2K American made guitar, so it should sound like that. The tone was perfectly balanced between the strings. With just a few chord strums you could hear the complexity that came out of it. It had a wide vocal range which is something I would expect from rosewood. The highs were crystal clear, and the bass was very pronounced but not overbearing. Everything was very even throughout and the midrange was definitely not emphasized. With each note that was plucked, you got somewhat of a crisp finish. The guitar was quite easy to play and had a very fast neck given its low profile. It was like playing my GAD without the sticky finish.

So my conclusion and where I would place it based on my very limited knowledge of guitars. I would have to say that I am no longer very impressed with my GAD. My GAD is good and has tonal properties I would say are superior to many guitar, but this F30R put is to shame. Sorry. The GAD just sounds repressed, like the finish is too thick. The F30R just vibrates so nicely...you can feel it. Nitro? I compared it to the Trad F30 (mahogany). The F30R just had so much more going on which was probably the rosewood. Also I would guess that the Red spruce top had not opened up. I had recently mentioned that I was really impressed with the Martin 000-MMV and I was. I would have to say that the Martin may still win out due to the incredible amount of overtones I could hear, though I would say the F30R is not far off.
 

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Cool review, thanks Ridge!
It looks like it's a good sounding guitar.
A couple of things are cooling me off a bit though: The wide neck and the 2k tag.....
Oh no!!! Here we go again:
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:lol:
 

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Yeah, the $2K price tag is a barrier. Once you count out $2K, that opens you up to a lot of different brands. Now is this guitar worth $2K? Probably, since I have played other guitars with a $2K price tag that I like less. Would I pay $2K for a guitar? If I had that kind of money laying around, then yes I would. But like many people, I am on some type of budget that limits my frivolous spending. Would I sell 2 guitars to buy this one? I currently am, but I would probably go to GC to pick up the MMV instead for 3 reasons: 1) Sound is slightly superior, 2) it is $500 less, and 3) Martin has a better resale value so I would lose less if I ever sold it. :wink: OH NOOOO here we go again!
 

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Ridgemont said:
I had some time today to go to my favorite Guild dealer (Guitar Resurrection) to check out their latest acquisition: a Standard Series F30R.
I'll ignore the opportunity to rehash a couple of the points you mentioned, but you may have stumbled on a new one.

IIRC @ LMG 2010 there was discussion of what we now understand to be the Standard vs. Traditional series. One of the few points I retained was that they were deliberately using different finishes on the Standard series because doing so cut costs and/or production time. They were not doing so in the Traditional series because they did not think the target audience would embrace a different finish. Having seen both, do you have a preference for the Traditional finish or were you just noting that things were different? Hypothetically if you had two guitars that were otherwise identical, would you pay more for one finish over the other?
 

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fronobulax said:
Ridgemont said:
I had some time today to go to my favorite Guild dealer (Guitar Resurrection) to check out their latest acquisition: a Standard Series F30R.
I'll ignore the opportunity to rehash a couple of the points you mentioned, but you may have stumbled on a new one.

IIRC @ LMG 2010 there was discussion of what we now understand to be the Standard vs. Traditional series. One of the few points I retained was that they were deliberately using different finishes on the Standard series because doing so cut costs and/or production time. They were not doing so in the Traditional series because they did not think the target audience would embrace a different finish. Having seen both, do you have a preference for the Traditional finish or were you just noting that things were different? Hypothetically if you had two guitars that were otherwise identical, would you pay more for one finish over the other?

I will assume that the difference in finish will have no effect on tone. If I had a choice between two rosewood guitars identical in sound and feel, then yes, I would pay an up charge for the Traditional finish as opposed to the Standard finish. In my opinion, I find the Traditional finish to be warmer, more elegant, and all around more inviting. I love the way it makes the rosewood look...it just brings out the color and the complexity in graining.

My answer would be the same for mahogany. I like the red staining in mahogany. I have a satin finish 000-15 that has that reddish hue. The satin finish on the Guild neck had less of that reddish coloration I have become so accustomed to.
 

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fronobulax said:
I'll ignore the opportunity to rehash a couple of the points you mentioned, but you may have stumbled on a new one.

Thank you sir. I did think I would get in trouble with my "resale" comment. :wink:
 

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Hey Ridge,

Thanks for that, it was real interesting to hear your views on them. I'm probably out because of the nut width (and the price, and the fact I like old guitars, and the fact that you cant buy them here). :lol:

Cheers, Ian
 

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guitardude said:
Hey Ridge,

Thanks for that, it was real interesting to hear your views on them. I'm probably out because of the nut width (and the price, and the fact I like old guitars, and the fact that you cant buy them here). :lol:

Cheers, Ian
very good points. good luck in your continuing acquisition of skinny necked, old, cheap clunkers readily available to you. :wink:
 

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Well ridge,

You know its amazing what you can find on this forum. In fact all my Guilds have come from forum members....
 

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guitardude said:
Well ridge,

You know its amazing what you can find on this forum. In fact all my Guilds have come from forum members....
I whole heartedly agree. I am also subject to the benefits of this forum.
 

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Ridgemont said:
yes, I would pay an up charge for the Traditional finish as opposed to the Standard finish.
Thank you.

Curiously I won't have to choose because Mrs. Fro. much prefers the understated tortoiseshell binding and that is only available in the Traditional.

And I figured I had said all anyone wanted to hear of my comments about resale value so it was actually easy to let your comment slide.
 

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Well, not to open a can of worms (he said with trepidation), but the values available these days in high-quality used instruments makes buying new a less attractive option than it would otherwise be. People trying to sell some really nice instruments are finding that they're not getting offers unless they drastically lower prices and, even then, many are languishing. I just picked up a very nice Santa Cruz 000 sunburst on trade for a mandolin because the owner couldn't find a buyer at a price he considered acceptable. In a trade situation, I was able to place a value on the mandolin that was probably higher than I could have sold it for -- mirroring the value on the guitar. I bet neither of us could have gotten as much cash -- in fact, he definitely couldn't or he wouldn't have traded (I never listed mine for sale).

Sometime over the next year, probably next spring, I'd like to get a maple jumbo in really good -- new or nearly new -- condition. I could get a new Guild -- and they're beautiful guitars. I may well do that. But there are some amazing alternatives on the lightly-used market that pop up from time to time.

In better times, all Guilds would be doing better. I honestly think that they're worth the prices they're available for. But the used market is glutted with some superb instruments that are having a hard time moving for cash. It's a much better time to be buying or trading than selling. And it may be a while before things change substantially. Right now, I'm feeling that the best cure for GAS is the ability to trade. That can work well for both parties but it's not a model that manufacturers are likely to have any love for.
 

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devellis said:
Well, not to open a can of worms (he said with trepidation), but the values available these days in high-quality used instruments makes buying new a less attractive option than it would otherwise be. People trying to sell some really nice instruments are finding that they're not getting offers unless they drastically lower prices and, even then, many are languishing. I just picked up a very nice Santa Cruz 000 sunburst on trade for a mandolin because the owner couldn't find a buyer at a price he considered acceptable. In a trade situation, I was able to place a value on the mandolin that was probably higher than I could have sold it for -- mirroring the value on the guitar. I bet neither of us could have gotten as much cash -- in fact, he definitely couldn't or he wouldn't have traded (I never listed mine for sale).

Sometime over the next year, probably next spring, I'd like to get a maple jumbo in really good -- new or nearly new -- condition. I could get a new Guild -- and they're beautiful guitars. I may well do that. But there are some amazing alternatives on the lightly-used market that pop up from time to time.

In better times, all Guilds would be doing better. I honestly think that they're worth the prices they're available for. But the used market is glutted with some superb instruments that are having a hard time moving for cash. It's a much better time to be buying or trading than selling. And it may be a while before things change substantially. Right now, I'm feeling that the best cure for GAS is the ability to trade. That can work well for both parties but it's not a model that manufacturers are likely to have any love for.

Case in point, Twogorgis stumbled upon a beautiful JF55 rosewood jumbo and jumped on it to sell to someone here. $1000 for a top of the line Guild jumbo guitar that looks new and sounds great. She did have extremely oxidized tuners, so $50 and a set of new Grover 18:1's later, along with a nice polish job, she looks like a new guitar. Very low action with about 5/16" saddle (I've seen new guitars with less). I've just finished dressing her up :wink: . Thank you Sandy.

There is simply no comparison in the new market to what can be had for literally half the price if you're patient in the used market right now........and this one has a complete nitro finish and didn't go through any other factory cutbacks so Fender could make more profit. Though I will admit Fender did a fabulous job on her in '97.

West
 

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For what it's worth, I have my eyes set on this JF-55. Price seems reasonable. Might need a little work, though..
 

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devellis said:
Well, not to open a can of worms (he said with trepidation), but the values available these days in high-quality used instruments makes buying new a less attractive option than it would otherwise be. People trying to sell some really nice instruments are finding that they're not getting offers unless they drastically lower prices and, even then, many are languishing. [ ... ]

In better times, all Guilds would be doing better. I honestly think that they're worth the prices they're available for. But the used market is glutted with some superb instruments that are having a hard time moving for cash. It's a much better time to be buying or trading than selling. [ ... ]
Bob, I think these are valid observations. It's just the way things are. [And I surely wouldn't worry about opening cans of worms on LTG; when has that ever stopped us?] As far as modern Guild is concerned, there's an uphill battle to build new instruments in the US in a depressed economy. Taylor and Martin have the advantage of being the established "big brand" encumbents now, but I'll bet you they're feeling the pinch too as it continues to be a buyers market in used guitars. Cross your fingers.

One point I would like to make, though, is that we don't actually know how Guild is doing right now. Positive outlooks for products and US manufacturing notwithstanding, we have no idea what the bottom line is right now.
 

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Ridgemont said:
Thanks Treem. '98 is a pretty good year isn't it? :D

Oh yeah, definitely good year Ridge. :D
 

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OK, just back from a short holiday and what with the head cold I developed I am easily confused...

Ridge, did you really measure the F30R you played at a 1 3/4" nut width?

It seems to me, that ~$2,000 (manufacturer's lowest allowed advertised price or whatever)
for a high quality, US made, 000/Grand Auditorium size Rosewood body guitar is not out of line...

And Pascal, come on up and see me in Central massachusetts and I will direct you to a music store that will give you a price at least as good as Ridge's estimate :lol: ...maybe two.

Seriously.

Now, let me get back to my self-medication with Blackberry Brandy :?
 
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