RI Starfire III w/P90 vs. Heritage H525

mad dog

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Has anyone here had the pleasure of comparing these guitars? They're both rather rare. I played the SF II w/P90s last year and like an idiot did not grab it. The Heritage model is similar, modelled on the old Gibson ES-225, less the antique style trapeze set up. The H525 also comes stock with Lollar P90s.

Wondering how equivalent they are, and how resistant to feedback.
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I have only played one Heritage and it sas a super sweet guitar. I'd go for the SFIII because to me a SFIII w/ P-90's would be the ultimate! I think you'd be looking at the same guitar so far as size, the heritage would be a bit better looking cosmetically and the Lollars would be a little less gritty than the P-90's but thats just my opinion. When in doubt, go for the Guild. :mrgreen:
 

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Starfire all the way - because I love Guilds, and I love P90's. If I wanted the other one, I'd hold out for a Gibson ES125, because they're cooler than the Heritage, and still semi-affordable if you don't want a collector-clean guitar.

But in practice, neither really (here comes the really snobbish reply....) - I'd prefer a late 50's or early 60's Guild T-100, or an early 60's Starfire II or III with DeArmond pickups - both can still be found for not much more than your initial options if you look long and hard and have patience, and are less "generic", more "unique" sounding and looking guitars.

Feedback - shouldn't be a really big problem with your preference for medium sized 50's styled combo amps and fairly low gain, just keep the bass control low on the amp and find the right spot to stand.
 

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Walter:

Interesting thought there. How do those Dearmond pickups stack up to the Franz p/us, or the typical P-90?

Thanks
Michael D.
 

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MD, they're entirely different pickups - P90's and Franzes (roughly the same thing, really) have two magnets under the coil and steel poles protruding through it, DeArmonds are like a caricature of a Fender pickup - a coil that reads twice the resistance of a typical strat pickup, with magnet poles protruding through it that are easily three times as long, and bigger diameter than the typical fender Rod-magnet-polepiece.

The DeArmonds are very powerful pickups that thanks to the magnetic rod poles have more of a percussive, twangy character not unlike a very overwound telecaster pickup, but bigger, fatter, and bolder.
For all the difference in construction though, if you turn down the tone control a little bit, they're not all thàt different in response from a fat P90 in that they have a similar fat midrange content, and push your amp about as hard.

Clean, into a powerful amp with a lot of headroom, they're wonderful "twang" pickups, and a lot of people associate them with that (Duane Eddy!), but plug them into a smaller amp and turn it up, and it's raunch city - very powerful, midrangey pickups. Bo Diddley's rectangular Gretsch custom had them too - not exactly bright clean twang there!

Not recommended if you play 9's with low slinky action, because those huge magnet poles badly want to "grab" your strings - lotsa string pull with these - actually pure nickel wrap strings tend to sound/work better with these than nickel plated or pure steel wrap strings.
 

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HEritage makes a damn fine guitar, and when you're talking 525 and higher, they easily compete with Starfires.

I'd need to play them both, and it would depend on the year because I just can't bond with <90s Starfires
 

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Heritage has been making the 525 model for just a few years. You can order with any pickups, color/finish, neck carve, wood package, binding, rosewood or ebony, dots, blocks, split blocks etc. "Gitfiddler" is having one custom built now which can be seen on the Heritage forum under the "Git er done thread". The man leading the design team, Marv Lamb was carving necks at 225 Parsons Street in 1957 and can be seen holding Tim's 525. The New Hartford plant is not building new Starfire III while Heritage will make a hand made (no computers) vintage guitar with a 2 year warrenty built the way you want for half of a custom shop standard gibson. They make great guitars and a great price.
 
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