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Hello,

This is my first post to the forum so here goes!

I'm a semipro jazz guitarist from England and I've recently found for sale in a local guitar shop (or store for my American cousins!) a 1965 X-175 in a dark sunburst in what I would call players grade condition. I say players grade because although cosmetically its in good shape with a little bit of finish checking and the odd ding here and there, at some point in it's life the pickups have been replaced with humbuckers of unknown make.

The reason I'm enquiring is that the shop is asking about £1200 which works out to $1850 but I think I can get about 10-15% off the price. Do you think this is a fair price considering it's not 100% original? Understandably prices for vintage American guitars are cheaper in the US generally as they're less scarce but importing stuff is expensive with the 20% sales tax that we have here.

Another thing I'm curious about is whether this was definitely fitted with the Franz P90s as I know Guild stopped fitting them to their X-175 model and started fitting although I don't know when.

Anyway any help or advice offered would be gratefully received!
 
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MintyGreen said:
Another thing I'm curious about is whether this was definitely fitted with the Franz P90s as I know Guild stopped fitting them to their X-175 model and started fitting although I don't know when.
Hello MintyGreen,

Welcome! Try to find out what the serial number is and I should be able to tell you which kind of pickups the guitar originally had.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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Welcome to LTG!
In general that guitar looks nice to me. S/N seems to be EG 154 from the picture (if you enlarge it and increase the brightness) and that makes it a later 1966 guitar (not 1965 as the shop shows).
Even if the (Schaller?/Guild) tuners are marked with "Guild" I believe they were fitted later in the life of the guitar, as I believe they were not available in 1966 yet. (I saw EG 140 with Grover "Milk Bottle" Rotomatic tuners.)

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Hi Hans and RalfF

Yes the serial number is EG154. Thanks for your help Hans, I noticed on your website that you sometimes stock replacement Guild humbuckers, would they be worth looking at?

The shop reckons the pickups were definitely Franz originally.
 

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Yes the serial number is EG154. The shop reckons the pickups were definitely Franz originally.

No, the guitar definitely had the small humbuckers as original equipment.

It might be a great guitar as it is now and if you're looking to use it to play jazz, I see no reason to change it back to original specs.

Good luck!

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No, the guitar definitely had the small humbuckers as original equipment.

It might be a great guitar as it is now and if you're looking to use it to play jazz, I see no reason to change it back to original specs.

Good luck!

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

Thanks you're probably right! In any case to fit the regular size humbuckers they would have had to rout the existing pickup cutout so there's no way they'd fit now.

Just out of curiosity how do the regular sized Guild humbuckers compare to other makes?
 

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Just out of curiosity how do the regular sized Guild humbuckers compare to other makes?
Have a read here, one of our members owns that blog: http://www.gad.net/Blog/2011/11/25/guild-full-sized-hb1-and-sd1-pickup-variations/#

By the way, I think I found one other minor thing that is not original to the guitar (next to the pickups and the tuners), which is the white switch tip. I think it had a special Guild metal switch tip originally and it was lost over time and replaced with a white plastic switch tip.

Also mind that the pickguard had to be routed wider for the bigger pickups.

In general that guitar would have looked like this including the switch tip and mini humbuckers (which is S/N EG 140):

1966GuildX-175Sunburst009.jpg


Ralf
 
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