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6L6 said:
He never got to fly the F8, or the F4U Corsair, which still rankles him.

I can relate!

The two planes I most wanted to fly (but never got to) were the Spitfire MKIX and the F-104 Starfighter. I do have about 20 hrs or so logged in a P-51, but I wish it had been in a Spit or F-104!

Turn up the sound!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6K4iSxET6g

The cruise missile with wings!
That aircraft was most incredible for it's day.
Up until more recent times, several air forces around the world still used the F-104 as a front line fighter.

Wish that I could have enjoyed even a short flight in a P-51......perferably one without clipped wings, clipped stabilizers and other racing mods.
Welp, I do have a radio control P-51b scale aircraft, and it's done up as a Tuskegee model, nor has it flown in 7 years now.

Awesome video!
 

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West R Lee said:
Nothing to do with old planes, but if you're into flight.......looks pretty incredible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJoMDq4A ... re=related

West

Still a significant aircraft to this day, West.
It's a hyper version of the "missile" with real wings!
Kelly Johnson and Lockheed engineers built that aircraft with slide rules, and then went on to build the A-12 & SR-71a with the same slide rules.

Great video too!
 

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Wish that I could have enjoyed even a short flight in a P-51...

I was very lucky and befriended a lawyer who owned a beautiful P-51D (no mods, painted WWII motif). The plane was a Cavalier conversion which means it had a second seat with complete set of controls. I'm 6 ft tall and it was a VERY tight fit!

The owner never charged me a penny and seemed to appreciate some of my pilotage advice learned in the USAF. Unfortunately, he eventually got divorced and lost the plane as part of the settlement.

However, we had a great time beating up the Napa Wine Valley and roaring down the coast while it lasted! Beautiful plane to fly once you got used to dealing with all of that torque.

Here's a really interesting article on the F-104 for you fans of the design:

http://www.dcr.net/~stickmak/JOHT/joht12f-104.htm

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Thank you for posting the info, 6L6!
I've read much about the F-104 and have viewed several TV episodes regarding that aircraft.

Back in the early 1960's, one of My uncles (who had just finished USAF service), gifted Me a Revell F104 model aircraft.
The other uncle, who became a USAF captain with SAC, gifted Me a B-58 Hustler model aircraft. :D
 

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The B-58 was phenomenal airplane!

A USAF Wing of them was based at Bunker Hill AFB in Peru, IN, very near my home when I was a kid. I just couldn't get enough of looking at them and listening to those four screaming J-79's w/afterburners!

As a kid, the early Test Pilots were my biggest heroes. One of them I followed closely was Major John Deutschendorf, John Denver's dad. Here's a short film of him setting some speed records in the B-58 (several of his records still stand to this day):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jN6hx0LCfA

Bill
 

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pilot here, aviation buff, EAA member, etc... Love WWII fighter aircraft and the men that flew them in combat. Have hours in an AT6/SNJ type in preparation to fly a real P51 Mustang... high performance Experimental time and so forth.

So.... on the WWII Fighter theme... I built this a couple of years ago from scratch, took 3-1/2 yrs to put together with a bunch of custom machined parts and a high performance detuned race motor. It is an animal on the street, in excess of 150hp & 150 ft-lbs of torque in a 500+ lb bike. 9 sec 1/4 mile times. Not much on the street that can hang with me. :lol:

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I patterned the yellow and black checkerboard on the tank and fenders after the 353rd FG based in England during WWII...

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Very cool, DK8!

I always thought that if I had a motorcycle, I'd do the same thing, paint it in a color scheme matching my favorite WWII fighter, the F4U-1A Corsair. The Jolly Rogers logos would look cool on the gas tank, wouldn't it?

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thanks folks! it was truly a labor of love. here's a few more pics...

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And here is one more photo, an action shot of another in the 353rd FG that I used for details....
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Re: the F4U... lovely airplane! got a hop in one day. what a thrill! the only thing that limited flight time was the voracious fuel consumption that I was on the hook for. Another interesting note, I got to meet back in the early '90s the guy that worked at Chance Vought during WWII that did the design and finite elemental analysis on the gull part of the F4U Corsair wing.... Ed MacDonough. If you're curious about him, here is his biography.... http://www.voughtaircraft.com/heritage/peoplaces/html/bmacdnough.html
 

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Thunderface said:
Cool. Thanks for the link. Your bike is incredible.

thank you! you must be the only other biker here! :lol:

a custom bike project is really a lot of fun (and a lot of work)! clean piece of canvas.
 

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Not a biker (owner or rider) but one who appreciates bikes, especially cool custom ones. I know there are other bikers here.
 

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Found this old newspaper photo from 1947, I believe, when there used to be a Naval Reserve unit stationed in Minneapolis. Just look at all those lovely Corsairs. I wonder if any of them still exist and/or are still flying.

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With all the stuff you have to remember, it's amazing these things even got off the ground, much less competed in dogfights with the enemy. Thanks for the links, DKB.
 

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Thunderface said:
With all the stuff you have to remember, it's amazing these things even got off the ground, much less competed in dogfights with the enemy. Thanks for the links, DKB.

It's like a lot of things, once you get used to it and comfortable with the operation of things, you don't think about it so much on all the routine stuff, you flow with it and react instinctively. Once the wings are down and locked, nothing more to do with them. Pre-flight, pre-takeoff and pre-landing are on lists that you can use. Priming and start are typical for that vintage. Six degrees right rudder and aileron trim are normal for that much p-factor due to the prop torque. The climb out to high altitude and the supercharger is easy to remember, -3" MP during climb, decrease rpm (prop pitch) and engage SC stage, throttle back up. Cowl flaps, oil cooler, intercooler adjustments per gauge readings and need. It flies just like any other high performance, high wing loaded airplane. I actually thought it was pretty simple. The thing that gets me is what a gas hog this thing is in gallons per hour! Good grief! what a pig! In high performance fighting mode, it's burning $1000+/hr. hehehe...!!! This is where the P51 is way more efficient and why it helped us win the war on those long escorts of the bombers in the ETO. What's really cool when you get a ride in these airplanes is the unlimited view from the cockpit and the big aerobatics you can do. I love doing aerobatics, it's so smoooooth. (btw, yes, I'm a pilot)
 
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