NGD: Another '64! Starfire IV

maddox9

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I've been holding off on this thread for the better part of a week until I got the guitar and actually checked it out, cleaned it up, and took a few days to get used to it, play it, examine it. I'm happy to announce that I recently scored yet another mojo-filled '64. This time a cherry red mahogany Starfire IV. This SFIV and my SFV are only 16 serial numbers apart! Crazy!

Anyway, it's another played-in piece with some wear and minor issues, but with time I've realized that it would make more sense for me to hold onto it and get it fixed up than to be overly anal about it and return the guitar. For those that weren't aware, it was the SFIV listed on ebay as 'Guild Starfire Guitar' with a very lackluster description. I saw potential in the guitar even with the apparent issues, and I think I did quite alright.

I don't have any of my own pictures of the guitar yet and the seller's pictures aren't very flattering, but I plan to put some up sometime today. I took a little time to give it some basic TLC and get it to a state where I could rely on it immediately in a gigging/studio environment, since I have a session this weekend where it would probably work well. Just a fret polishing, nut lube, bridge adjustment, and string swap. She plays REAL well. I can hear and feel the potential after a proper setup by my tech. But for now, I'm totally satisfied. The voice of this guitar is different than my SFV in a lot of ways. It's a bit louder and thicker sounding. It doesn't have the snap that the SFV has, but it's got a throatier tone and sounds more aggressive. I have to assume that the main differences come from the harp/bigsby and the maple/mahogany.

The toughest decision I'm faced with now is: which one do I keep? Realistically I can't afford to hang onto both, as cool as it would be (especially considering how close they are with regards to serial #s). I guess the best thing to do is to make sure both are setup and the playing field is level, then make my judgements from there.

BTW, I'll be sending the guitar down to Fixit for some minor repair work. The man knows his stuff for sure! He's already got a handle on what needs to be done and how to handle it appropriately. Really loving these resources on LTG!
 

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Congratulations !!! But don't let us wait with the pictures and allow me to tease with this sellers picture in the meantime! :D

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The headstock veneers is an relatively easy fix by using a black celluloid sheet like used to make guitar picks and fixing the missing piece.
Good on you to send it in fixit's hands!
Otherwise it looks really good. And it is the oldest Starfire IV in my own little database so far! Fist time I see one in the 352xx number range.

Ralf
 

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That's the one!

Just needs period correct tuners (new 18:1 Grover Sta-tites arrived today), and a little headstock work. There's a very minor crack on the treble side f-hole, but nothing substantial. Pickups sound great and electronics seem to be all original and functioning well. The Schaller 188 tip I have on order will be going on this guitar.

The only other downside is that about 95% of the label is missing inside the f-hole. Not really sure how it happened but it doesn't bother me that much. Would be great to get a replica down the road, but I'm not sure if anyone even bothers with those.

Tons of life left in the original frets. It's clear that the guitar lived in a dry weather area for some time based on how dried out the finish is. Using some Virtuoso cleaner, I was actually able to restore a little bit of moisture into the finish which is helping me get that beautiful mahogany back to health.

Anyone know of a good product that will truly moisturize the wood? I've heard lemon oil is a good product for this kind of stuff.
 

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maddox9 said:
I've heard lemon oil is a good product for this kind of stuff.
I would not put lemon oil on the finish, but only use it on the fretboard.
I just would put some humidifiers in the case for some time to give some moisture back to the guitar, depending how humid or dry the air in your house is.
And I would not do anything with that label. i would leave it alone or just fix what is left, so it can't get lost anymore. That's the way it is. The model is 100% clear and the serial number is visible on the headstock, so all is covered.

What you think is a dry finish has nothing to do with the moisture in the wood, it is actually the nitrocellulose changing back to powder stage, means it is loosing all solvents! That's normal for old Nitro.
Ralf
 

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Nothing wrong with having two cool guitars that are the same model maddox :wink: !
 

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Ravon said:
Nothing wrong with having two cool guitars that are the same model maddox :wink: !
I would recommand exactly the same to maddox9! Keep them if you can!
Also the Starfire V is maple and sunburst and the IV is mahogany and in cherry color, so this is a outstanding couple!
Ralf
 
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