NGD! 1964 Starfire V

maddox9

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Boy oh boy...

This may go down as one of the single best gear purchases I've made. I'm 28, so I have some time, but hot damn it's the best deal I've made thus far!

I now have in my possession a killer '64 Starfire V in original Sunburst. It was advertised as a '65 but the owner (and myself on my own investigative accord) soon discovered it was indeed a '64. I actually had no clue that Starfire Vs were made prior to 1965, so this was very exciting for me. The tuners and the volute were the giveaway.

The guitar is 100% original down to the frets (which are well worn but will get me by for a while). Came with the original beat up snakeskin Guild case. The guitar has spent most of its life on stage and has mojo for miles! Worn in all the right places but structurally sound and intact. To me that's the sign of a good guitar; one that's been played every day. This was a gigging musician's guitar for sure.

The neck is just awesome! Most of the finish is worn off (naturally) and it plays so smooth, even with the lack of a proper setup. Not sure of the nut width but it's comfortable. Beautiful rosewood fingerboard. All the binding around the entire guitar has aged to a nice yellow and is all there! No shrinkage! Original Guildsby with the painted black inset practically worn away. The Kolb tuners are some of the coolest I've ever seen. This guitar SPEAKS in so many ways. These pickups are ridiculous by the way. Just phenomenal sounding. All the elements of a humbucker that I like, with the qualities of articulate single coils, which are my favorite overall pickups.

The entire body has some great subtle flame, almost bringing it into Starfire VI territory.

I'm still trying to learn more about the guitar from an historical standpoint. There doesn't seem to be much information on double cutaway Starfires prior to 1965, and I've only really seen on example of the same guitar sharing the same year. Were these built in limited numbers in 1964? Somebody told me that the SF V was the flagship model until the VI came out in 1965.

Enough rambling. Here it is!

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Let me be the first to say welcome aboard, Maddox9! A beautiful Starfire V you have there, congratulations! I know of the existence of at least one other 1964 Starfire V, that was sold by Refrofret Guitars. Others will soon chime in and you'll have plenty of info about your fabulous new acquisition. :D
 

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Yes! The Retrofret one is the one I was talking about. I don't see any writeups, pictures, clips, videos, anything. Just mine and the one that Retrofret sold. Very interested in learning more!
 

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Very, very nice. Great looking sunburst and I love the honest wear. i bet she's got some stories to tell.

Nice to have you here and thanks for sharing those great photos!
 

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Welcome and Congratulations Maddox9!

What a super-sweet looking 64 SF-V burst! :D

Great catch, my friend! 8)
 

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Great guitar, Maddox9. Way to make a big splash...

...and welcome to the asylum.

Dave :D
 

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SFIV1967 said:
Welcome to LTG!
I first thought that is another really mint looking SFV from 1964 on Craigslist in New York currenty:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/3018599165.html
But it has the neck to body joint at the 18th fret and is definitely not 1964. (would be after mid 1966) Also the serial number is in the 4xxxx range, so not 1964.
Ralf

That's a clean one for sure.

FWIW, the neck joint on that one is the same as mine, at the 16th fret. It also has the same neck carve with no volute, which would make it pre-1965. I'd say it's a '64!
 

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jcwu said:
I believe littlesongs has checked that one out before. I know it's been posted before.

zulu said:
Very, very nice. Great looking sunburst and I love the honest wear. i bet she's got some stories to tell.
I have to second what zulu said. There's many out there who would give this one a second thought because of all the mojo, but I think it's great and if it could talk, what fascinating things it would say.
 

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maddox9 said:
I now have in my possession a killer '64 Starfire V in original Sunburst. It was advertised as a '65 but the owner (and myself on my own investigative accord) soon discovered it was indeed a '64. I actually had no clue that Starfire Vs were made prior to 1965, so this was very exciting for me. The tuners and the volute were the giveaway.

maddox9 said:
..... the neck joint on that one is the same as mine, at the 16th fret. It also has the same neck carve with no volute, which would make it pre-1965. I'd say it's a '64!


Hello maddox9,

Welcome! The Starfire V was introduced at the very end of 1963 and there were plenty of other Vs made during 1964 and some before that.
Actually, I believe that your Starfire is from 1965. The fact that it doesn't have a volute is not an indication that it was made before 1965. I'm not 100% sure about the serial number, because the photo you posted is not all that clear, but I believe I read # 46218. Is that correct?

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Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl
 

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Welcome maddox9, and that's some serious Hoboken mojo! It's why I like Hoboken Guilds best of all, and something my two have in spades. 8)

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hansmoust said:
SFIV1967 said:
But it has the neck to body joint at the 18th fret and is definitely not 1964. (would be after mid 1966)
Have another good look!
Sincerely, Hans Moust http://www.guitarsgalore.nl
Oh boy, yes, you are right, I better get a bigger computer screen! Sure, it's the 16th fret...
But what's up the serial number? 38636 is the last 1964 number in your book? And it looks like it starts with a 4?

Oh, and maddox9, if you wonder what I talk about: Get this excellent book!

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hansmoust said:
maddox9 said:
I now have in my possession a killer '64 Starfire V in original Sunburst. It was advertised as a '65 but the owner (and myself on my own investigative accord) soon discovered it was indeed a '64. I actually had no clue that Starfire Vs were made prior to 1965, so this was very exciting for me. The tuners and the volute were the giveaway.

maddox9 said:
..... the neck joint on that one is the same as mine, at the 16th fret. It also has the same neck carve with no volute, which would make it pre-1965. I'd say it's a '64!


Hello maddox9,

Welcome! The Starfire V was introduced at the very end of 1963 and there were plenty of other Vs made during 1964 and some before that.
Actually, I believe that your Starfire is from 1965. The fact that it doesn't have a volute is not an indication that it was made before 1965. I'm not 100% sure about the serial number, because the photo you posted is not all that clear, but I believe I read # 46218. Is that correct?

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

Hi Hans!

The serial number is actually 35218. Should put it in 1964 right?
 

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Beautiful guitar! And welcome!

I'm also running the same minibuckers (on my SFII) through an old blackface PR and it's a choir of angels. Congratulations, you're going to love it.
- jw
 

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That's a gem. Gotta love those mini humbuckers.

Dave :D
 
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