New Strings on X-180 PA

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I finally decided to change the strings on my X-180 PA.

It came with what I assume were D'Addario Chromes ECG23 Extra Lights, 48-10 - they had the feel of new strings and there was an empty ECG23 package in the case. As I have said elsewhere these strings were a little light for my taste, and the action was incredibly low, way too low for my playing style/heavy-handed incompetence. Also I have never really used flat wounds before - the experience was interesting - but the guitar didn't sound guitarish enough for me.

So looking through what I had at hand, I found a package of D'Addario XL EJ21 Jazz Light Gauge round wounds, 52-12. I put them on, and the immediate results were disastrous. The truss rod was wound up tight so that the neck had no camber whatsoever, and counter-intuitively the heavier gauge strings only made my problems worse - raising the action did not really help. So out with the truss rod tool. I made four 1/8 turns with about an hour in between turns, before I noticed much change. Then I played around with the action some more. I was concerned at first, because there were suddenly neck hump issues where the neck joins the body - very deadish fuzzy notes in the 14th to 17th fret area - D, G, B strings - but this has disappeared now as the neck settles in. I will wait a few days and re-evaluate things. I may have to re-tighten slightly.

What is most interesting is the Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde personality change in the guitar. It is acoustically quite loud now. And plugged in, it is quite scary. Gone is the polite, sedate Dr. Jekyl. The heavier round wound strings bring the pickups to life. It is entirely a different guitar. There is now a reason to use the tone controls. I will try it like this for a bit, and then maybe try a heavier set of round wounds before I make a final decision on what to keep on it.

Of major concern, however, is that the bridge appears to be glued in place - seems to be pretty much immovable without resorting to a hammer - I hope it is not something really stupid like Crazy Glue. I looked the seller in the eye and asked him if the bridge was free or fixed. He said it was free. Hmmm.... I know where he lives if he hasn't sold his house, yet. :boxing:

Luckily the change of strings did not require any change in the bridge position for 12th fret intonation - so I am OK for the moment - maybe even for the long run.

I may take my poor abused baby to the hospital to get a professional opinion. A good luthier will have seen far worse. :concern:
 

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Often people used double sticky tape to fix bridges, maybe you are lucky and that is the case.
Not to be a smart a**, but action is not adjusted with the truss rod...I assume you know that and it was just wrong wording. The truss rod should not be used to adjust the string action, its job is to straighten the neck and compensate for the upward pull of the strings. If the action is too high at the nut, it is the nut that needs adjustment. If the action is too high in the middle and upper positions, it is usually the saddle that needs to be lowered.
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Often people used double sticky tape to fix bridges, maybe you are lucky and that is the case.

I called the guy, I got the guitar from. It seems the bridge is both free and not free in a sense. When he had the guitar set up for his playing style (light gauge flat wounds, no neck camber, very low action - which sort of works if you have a very, very light touch - uber fast playing is so easy), the tech suggested using double-sided tape to affix the bridge to the guitar if he wasn't going to be changing things again. So it is a professional double-sided tape installation. Why he didn't tell me this at the time, I don't know. He seemed to be quite urgently in need of cash, and I was interested in the guitar, so .... yes ... in a sense the bridge is free - I guess that in his mind saying that it was taped might have caused me not to buy.

Not to be a smart a**, but action is not adjusted with the truss rod...I assume you know that and it was just wrong wording.

I am reasonably bright and well educated - not quite the more degrees than a thermometer syndrome but in danger. However, there is no fool like a well-educated fool, is there? What I know is like Swiss Cheese - dense, chewy, and funny smelling in places with great gaping holes elsewhere. So it is not safe to assume that I know something/anything - I would prefer the assumption that I don't know. I learn more that way. I am not easily offended or slighted - whether I am thick-skinned or totally obtuse, I am not certain - whatever, it works for me. You, Ralf, never come off as patronizing or showoffy with your sharing of knowledge and your willingness to research what you do not know and then share your findings. Rather, I find you very helpful. Thanks. Keep laying it on.

But yes - the action is not adjusted with the truss rod, although the camber that is introduced into or removed from the neck affects what is needed, desired or appropriate for the setting of the action.
 
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So it is a professional double-sided tape installation.
That's good, so nothing really to worry. Except...I read somewhere (and I really have zero experience with that) that they recommended against tape because the bridge should better sit directly on the top and not be dampened by the tape (or sandpaper) in between. Obviously that would somehow dampen the transfer of the energy from the strings to the top. How much, I don't know. But I am sure others have experience here.
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