New star fire 1 bass

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The pup was under the bisonic surround.
Now without the surround but you can see a little gap on each side.
You can see the HB1 has 4 wires coming outta the back. I forgot how I wired it. Been a while. I have a home made wiring diagram and wrote on it how I did it.
As you can see I need to clean up the route on the drivers side and get a better surround made, but since I got the DCLP bass the Starfire hasn’t been played much.
 

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Sounds way better than my 2013 model.
I should sell mine and buy one of these.
 

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Here's the full review (his previous one was only the unboxing).
This one also has a tone comparison to the Epiphone Jack Casady Signature!




Interesting. Neither bass IMO, and in all the control variations, sounds like a vintage Bisonic (or a modern one either). Could just be because I don't record myself and listen on headphones but I'm not about to replace anything in the stable with a JC or this Starfire I.

If I were to add to the stable I could easily live with the Starfire I, especially with the vintage position. But the appeal is the distinct sounds from one bass and the fact that it brings some new, even if less desirable, sounds to the stable.
 

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Interesting. Neither bass IMO, and in all the control variations, sounds like a vintage Bisonic (or a modern one either). Could just be because I don't record myself and listen on headphones but I'm not about to replace anything in the stable with a JC or this Starfire I.

If I were to add to the stable I could easily live with the Starfire I, especially with the vintage position. But the appeal is the distinct sounds from one bass and the fact that it brings some new, even if less desirable, sounds to the stable.

Yeah, I agree on both counts. I don't need one of these, especially with another hot-rodded vintage Starfire coming (back) into my stable this Summer. That said, if one ever pops up on the local used market for $400 or less, I might snag it up, swap out the pickup for a Bartolini and put it through its paces. Would likely make a fun project.
 

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I prefer the sound of the Guild over the JC.

But what I really want to know is...where can I get some of those pants?!
 

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I think the new split pup Starfires sound really good, based on online demos I have heard.
 

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Yeah, definitely a fine single coil pickup! Here's a nice comparison video that Serek does since they offer both the Guild reissue and the Novak in their basses. Of course, the tone here also reflects his amp and the bass itself, but it shows you the basic difference between the pickups. I have a Serek Midwestern bass with the Novak and coil tap. Fantastic little bass! (though nothing beats the old Starfire)


I've watched this video a number of times and each time, the Guild reissue speaks to me. I'm thinking of getting a pair for my EB-3 as the Dark Stars in there sound good, but aren't quite doing it for me. Of course, the amp and speakers play a big role.
 

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I like the BS-1 in the vid best, too.
I find that a bisonic at the bridge makes my Starfire sound rubber-band-like. Not good tone. But at the neck it’s an amazing sound. Huge bottom and mids but still bright, clear, and lotsa presence. I use the neck pup 99% of the time now.
I guess in the Pbass position of this vid it is the best of both.
 

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Not to veer too far, but while we're on the topic of Bisonics and positions, I did some more recent experiments in this department with my recently acquired 1962 Gibson EB-0. When I acquired it, it had the factory stock mudbucker in the neck position and an old aftermarket MIJ minibucker in the bridge position. The modifications were very well done and it looked like a factory EB-3. That said, I bought it because I'd been looking for an old EB-0 that was already modded, so that I could drop some Bisonics in it.
The challenge here was with the bridge pickup being in the traditional EB-3 position, very far from the neck pickup. I've never been a big fan of dual pickups that are spaced far apart as it results in a squawky tic-tacky sound (most noticeable in the lower registers). Some like it, but I don't. Since I knew I had to extend the bridge position cavity anyway to get a Bisonic in there, I did so in the neckward direction as far as possible without having the existing cavity peaking out. I was very happy with the result from an aesthetic perspective, but I could still hear a little bit of that squawkiness. So I started thinking... there are so many ways to manipulate tone, let's try some weird stuff and see what happens!
What I ended up finding was that wiring the pickups out of phase (crazy, right? normally sounds terrible in bass context.), in series, but then also sculpting some low frequency out of the bridge pickup via a passive high pass control, got me a very cool, unique, and usably edgy 2-pickup sound. Below is a recording of the results! Unfortunately, hindsight being 20/20, I should have recorded the initial in-phase sound to demonstrate the squawkiness mentioned above. In any case, here are some of the tones on tap now:

1. Neck pickup solo'd (probably the real grail tone on this bass -- anything else it does, I consider to be bonus options)
2. both pickups in series without bridge-pickup lows sculpted (for reference, not a tone I like)
3. both pickups in series with high-pass half engaged
4. both pickups in series with high-pass fully engaged
5. bridge pickup solo'd

*missing is the "both pickups in parallel" mode, which is also selectable with my 4-way rotary switch, but this experiment was focused on "both pickups in series" and how that mode coupled with the high-pass control on the bridge pickup creates a totally new-to-me dual Bisonic sound

**also should note that these are Novak's vintage-spec Bisonics, custom-ordered in a guitar-humbucker size chrome shell format.

 
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