Musicians Reduced to Begging

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Musicians Reduced to Begging - Just say "No" to digital in general (but "Maybe" to CDs).

Musicians reduced to begging, great musicians at that - Norma Waterson, Martin Carthy and Eliza Carthy.

Norma Waterson was a major UK cultural figure, a giantess in the world of traditional Folk Music. She received an MBE from Queen Elizabeth in honour of her cultural service to the UK. Norma just recently passed away.




Her husband was Folk Revival pioneer, Martin Carthy, another giant. He was also awarded an MBE.


Without Carthy we might have somewhat different versions of Bob Dylan and Paul Simon - both were inspired by Carthy when they visited England in the early 60s.

Simon badgered Carthy to teach him a traditional Yorkshire/North Umbria [Edit: Northumbria - Thx PoD] area song he had heard Carthy playing and singing. Carthy showed Simon his arrangement and gave him the words. Simon took it all home, did a minor bit of rearranging, merged it with one of his own earlier pieces, and claimed authorship of it.

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Carthy and Waterson's daughter is Eliza Carthy, another performer of huge stature in the Folk world. She has also been awarded an MBE.


Eleven years ago, she, along with her two children, moved in with her parents to help support them in their old age. Martin and Norma were in poor health and were unable to perform.

In the last two years, they have approached destitution.

Collectively, Norma Waterson, Martin Carthy, and Eliza Carthy have a massive back catalogue of recordings. This is even larger if we add in the back catalogue of The Watersons.


The back catalogue does not produce enough revenue for a conformable life.

Reduced to Begging - "Spare change for a coffee, Mister?"


Musicians used to earn decent money from vinyl and tape sales and radio play. Collectively they got screwed over a bit with CDs. The industry was given a royalties break by artists in order to help launch the new format which required expensive changes to studios and the development of new manufacturing facitlites. Nobody, perhaps not even the Industry iteslf, could foresee what would happen. Nobody imagined that CDs would displace vinyl and tape. Nobody imagined the massive piracy that would ensue - copying of CDs, fake illegal CDs, and the Internet distribution of pirated MP3 files. iTunes is an extension of the transition to CDs - my understanding is that an iTunes sale does not give an artist as much money as a CD sale. And Spotify revenues are an insult for anyone less popular than Taylor Swift or Ed Sheeran. At multiple live concerts in the years before the pandemic, I have heard musicians begging from the stage - "Will sell CDs at the merch table for food!"

We all like to laugh at the musician jokes - "What's the difference between a musician and large pizza? A large pizza can feed a family of four." - but really, they're not all that funny, are they?

If you like an artist, buy a CD. If you really like them, buy new vinyl. Just say "No"to Spotify. Don't pirate music - it is definitely not a victimless crime. When it is safe to do so, support live music with a vengence and do go to the merch table.
 
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Thank for posting this Canard.

Saw the Carthys in concert 25 years or so ago -- wow!, an immense amount of talent in that family.

Sad that talent doesn't count for much when it comes to making a living in the music biz though. You have a whole generation who grew up thinking all music should be available for free, because it was.

Musicians who made decent livings in the '60s and '70s could never have done so in the '90s and oughts.

And that's not even taking into account Covid, which has put the careers of thousands of touring artsts on the skids. With a few exceptions, you can't "Support Live Music" even if you want to.

Paul Simon did eventually acknowledge Martin Carthy's significant contribution to the authorship of "Scarborough Fair," and got Columbia / Sony to pay him a percentage of all back royalties on it, which was huge and a lifeline for Carthy at the time. No idea if Carthy's name was added as a co-author of the song, however. (EDIT: See Canard's clarification, below.]
 
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It's Northumbria, not North Umbria:eek: An area of north east England, which includes Northumberland. The name is taken from an old kingdom which covered a large part of Northern England and extended deep into Scotland. It is where I was born and bred:)

"It's Northumbria, not North Umbria:eek:"

Sorry. I knew that but was more than a little distracted with general annoyance at the world today and was thus careless in my proof reading.

I have family in the Bradford/Keighley area of Yorkshire.

Apologies again over the typo. As my Yorkshire grandmother might have said, "I was as daft as a mahogany frying pan."
 

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Paul Simon did eventually acknowledge Martin Carthy's significant contribution to the authorship of "Scarborough Fair," and got Columbia / Sony to pay him a percentage of all back royalties on it, which was huge and a lifeline for Carthy at the time. No idea if Carthy's name was added as a co-author of the song, however.

Nice to hear. Carthy, himself, never claimed authorship of the song, ever, only the arrangement.
 

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He took umbrage to Umbria ;]

A desolate place with a lot of coastline, some sheep, people even.
Certainly plenty of sheep! I have a friend who was a sheep farmer in the Cheviot hills until he retired. Helping make some sheep pens on his farm, back in the early 1980's, was what paid for my S-300! :giggle: As for people, Northumberland is the most sparsely populated county in England; great coastline and plenty of castles:cool:
 

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I guess I did pretty good for having never been there, but recently watched Vera and the Gently, both of which happen to be in Northumberland, modern day Northumbria, which just means "North of the Humber", river, that is.
 

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Certainly plenty of sheep! I have a friend who was a sheep farmer in the Cheviot hills until he retired. Helping make some sheep pens on his farm, back in the early 1980's, was what paid for my S-300! :giggle: As for people, Northumberland is the most sparsely populated county in England; great coastline and plenty of castles:cool:
Castles?!!!

I would SO love to see a real medieval castle, have free rein to wander through it and think about who lived there and what that was like.

I understand they are quite cold and had few windows. If so, I am not concerned because - castles!!!
 

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Castles everywhere.

And ruins.

Hadrian's Wall runs 73 miles across, covered the entire width of the island - 80 miles - construction started in 122AD. Built to keep the Caledonians out of Roman Britannia.

The good old days.
 

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Check this out:


Thanks.

I enjoyed that greatly.

The ideas are all still intact in his head even if the fingers and voice are little less willing and agile than in his youth. Impressive!
 
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Castles everywhere.

And ruins.

Hadrian's Wall runs 73 miles across, covered the entire width of the island - 80 miles - construction started in 122AD. Built to keep the Caledonians out of Roman Britannia.

The good old days.
Castles of varying size and state of repair. Many are ruins, but a few were developed into family homes for the nobility and wealthy. Alnwick Castle is the home of the Duke of Northumberland and has been used as a location in several movies, including as one of the Hogwarts locations for Harry Potter. Bamburgh Castle was restored in the 19th Century, by the industrialist Lord Armstrong and is still owned by his descendants. There are also smaller fortifications, such as Pele Towers and Bastles.

Many years ago, I walked almost the entire length of Hadrian's Wall with a couple of my brothers and some friends, starting just outside Newcastle and finishing at the Solway Firth. There is also a second Roman wall in Scotland. The Antonine Wall, which runs from the Firth of Forth to the Firth of Clyde. There is a lot less to see though, being a turf wall, built twenty years after Hadrian's wall and abandoned soon after.
 

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The Antonine Wall - made of turf, took twelve years to complete - was supposed to supersede Hadrian's wall as the Romans took up the space between the walls, but within eight years they were back to Hadrian's Wall.

Originally designed to have a fort every six miles, this was revised to every three miles, resulting in nineteen forts and a number of fortlets.
 
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