Meet Suzie, my new (vintage) S-100

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As TF pointed out, it is time for me to put down my new guitar and pick up a camera. So, after long hankering, here is my 1973 S-100. Serial no. is 65833.

First off, this purchase would not have happened without LTG and my thanks go all those who offered assistance and advice. Special thanks and thumbs-up to Jeff for inspecting, negotiating, driving, buying, testing, packing and shipping to Australia. What a brotherhood this Guild community is – fantastic. International shipping via USPS was a learning experience and in due course I’ll post some tips on shipping to Australia.

So here she is:

Anticipation:
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Excellent packing a la Jeff:
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Voila:
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The blue of the pick-up rings shows up much more with a camera flash. They are not so garish in real life.

Impressions: Not the original case, but very nice all the same. Very light guitar, only 3.25kg (about 7lbs in ancient American). Low and slightly buzzy action and the intonation is out a bit. No big deal – all adjustable once I’ve put 46-11s on. Frets are low as expected. The thin neck and flat fretboard feel alien after what I’m accustomed to. Unplugged, the tonality is nice and warm with good sustain. A little brighter and more woody than the SG and I can instantly hear an echo of Kim Thayil’s tone. Like the SG, it feels “all neck” and access to the high frets is excellent. I plug it in and – wow! These HB-1s really are rock monsters. A setting that is clean with SG (p-90s) is crunchy with the S-100. I’m one of those people who turns the guitar tone and volume up to 10 and uses foot control for changing volume and other settings. That is going to have to change – for clean sounds, guitar volume is going to be factor. I play with some heavier settings and can really hear the character of the pick-ups. Really nice and loaded with character. All three pick-up positions sound good and I try out the phase switch. Thinner sounding, as expected. I think it will have its uses.

Time for a closer look at the guitar. Condition is very good. It will need a re-fret soon, but that was expected. There are various dings and worn patches and a bit of buckle rash. The back of the neck has guitar-stand rash through to the wood. The headstock overlay is not peeling at all and the phase switch still has the plastic on. A couple of the tuners need tightening. They are far better than the “vintage” tuners on my SG. I always thought I wanted a white one, then I lusted after green after seeing Hammer’s. But the natural finish looks fantastic and I’m very satisfied with it. It is nice to see the natural wood grain and the clear pickguard is nice touch. I’d been slightly worried about the low E popping off the roller, but it has not happened yet. The neck joint is flawless and there is ample bridge adjustment remaining considering the frets are low. The pole pieces in the neck pick-up sit more proudly than I’d have expected. A couple of screws are missing. The end-strap button is the only thing that I suspect may not be original. Overall, the quality is high and it feels somewhat more substantial and classy than the Gibson SG, while being more raw than the Bluesbird.

End strap-button.
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I notice a couple of things slightly awry. The lower bridge adjustment post sits higher than the upper one, even though the bridge is only slightly lower at the bottom. I’ll look into that later. The string spacing is slightly irregular and generally southwards. I can see why - all the bridge rollers are right at the end of the threads. The high E is easily adjusted but with the other rollers seem to be disengaged from the threads and I can’t get them back on by hand. Hopefully, once I take the bridge off, I’ll be able to get them all back on.

Odd bridge post height
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Playability starts to bug me. I’m not playing chords cleanly and fluently. After all the long time I’ve wanted one, please don’t let me find it doesn’t fit me? The problem seems to be the combination of the thin neck and the high radius, i.e. very flat fretboard. I notice that the arch in the bridge is considerably more than is needed to match the fretboard shape and the middle strings sit higher than the high and low stings. I go back to the SG and find I prefer they way it feels more natural to roll my thumb over the top when muting. Hmmm. The last thing I want to do is re-sell it after all the trouble and effort to get it here. So I decide to play S-100 only for a while. After a couple more days it feels much better. I guess my muscle memory is changing and the neck shape is becoming imprinted in my brain. Phew, I didn’t want the honeymoon to go sour! Bends are still a bit uncomfortable, but I attribute that to low frets – too much contact between fingers and fretboard as opposed to fingers and string. I expect that a re-fret will not only fix that but will change the overall neck feel somewhat.

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Tonally it is quite different from my other guitars and I’m looking forward to playing around with my AxeFX settings to better match it to the S-100. I've never named a guitar before but she seems to be want to be called Suzie.

Thanks again to the match-makers...!

Suzie in her new home and rightful place.
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fearless said:
As TF pointed out, it is time for me to put down my new guitar and pick up a camera. So, after long hankering, here is my 1973 S-100. Serial no. is 65833.

Hello fearless,

If it's an S-100 from 1973 you probably have ser. # 85633, not # 65833 !

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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When doing the refret your luthier should be able to file the fingerboard to a slightly smaller radius (assuming there were not to many refrets done yet). Ask him to check that.
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Congrats on the S-100 mate. Hope Suzie works out for you. You got me gassing for HB-1s with your decription.

Is the body bigger than an SG? Looks it. How wide is the neck at the nut (mm is fine :) ). Sounds like it might be worth getting a new nut with the string spacing cut a bit better to suit you. It's something I have considered on a few guitars where the strings seems a little cramped but there's enough room on the board to spread the strings a little. 1 mm makes a lot of difference.

How much did it cost to ship with USPS - any issues with box size?
 

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hansmoust said:
If it's an S-100 from 1973 you probably have ser. # 85633, not # 65833 !
Yes, mine is 87024....
Have fun with it Fearless, I know what you mean about playability, it takes a bit getting used to these animals, and I noticed they didn't like heavy gauge strings either, (by heavy I mean 10's) or the bends become impossible and they break pretty quickly.
Also this roller bridge takes finger style play out of the equation, as strings pops out on the slightest pull, but on another hand, she will give you tones that no other guitar will... that's why we love them! :D
 

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hansmoust said:
fearless said:
As TF pointed out, it is time for me to put down my new guitar and pick up a camera. So, after long hankering, here is my 1973 S-100. Serial no. is 65833.
If it's an S-100 from 1973 you probably have ser. # 85633, not # 65833 !
I just double checked and you are right about the serial no. 85633. Must have been the light (not my eyes...)
SFIV1967 said:
When doing the refret your luthier should be able to file the fingerboard to a slightly smaller radius (assuming there were not to many refrets done yet). Ask him to check that.
Ralf
Thanks Ralf, I will ask about that. I wondered what happens to the inlays if the radius is is reduced - would they get filed too?

Zelja said:
Is the body bigger than an SG? Looks it.
Actually it is about the same the upper bout (horn?) is longer, the lower one is shorter and they pretty much balance out. The SG body is a little wider in fact. The SG has more bevelling on both front and back of the body and I think that that plus the colour add up to a visual impression that the SG is smaller.
Zelja said:
How wide is the neck at the nut (mm is fine :) Sounds like it might be worth getting a new nut with the string spacing cut a bit better to suit you. It's something I have considered on a few guitars where the strings seems a little cramped but there's enough room on the board to spread the strings a little. 1 mm makes a lot of difference.
43.5mm. The string spacing is identical to my SG at 35 mm. I've actually found that I'm more comfortable with the string spacing on the Suzie than on the SG - maybe the thinner neck contributes to that. But yes, I might still get the nut cut a little wider. It really is amazing how much difference these measurements make. I prefer the feel of a 25.5 scale, but they are so rare in non-Strat guitars. That is only a few mm per fret, but it is definitely noticeable.

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How much did it cost to ship with USPS - any issues with box size?
There is a work around to the Australia-specific size restrictions that allows cheaper postage. I'm going to do a thorough post on this and put in the members-only area. I'll let you know when I've posted it, but PM me in the meantime if you need details quickly.
 

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fearless said:
I wondered what happens to the inlays if the radius is is reduced - would they get filed too?

Good point, I did not think about that, you are right, that might be a problem with block inlays...much easier with dots.

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I'm a bit surprised to hear you call 10s heavy - I think of them as medium on a 25.5 scale and medium light on 24.75 scale. What gauge do you use?
I have grown accustomed to the solid feel of 11s and they suit my sometimes percussive picking style. I would have thought that the lighter the gauge, the more breakable? I used to frequently break 10s on the SG and I have a 10-pack of 11 gauge strings, so I guess I'll give them a try on Suzie, although I'm quite liking the feel of the 10s at the moment.
Tone, ah yes. Hearing your s-100 tone on youtube is one of the reasons I finally pulled the trigger.
 

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Your patience has paid off! Congratulations Fearless! She looks sweet! 8)
 

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Welcome to the family Suzie, and congrats again, Fearless. You did well, Our Brother Down Under. The blue pickup rings gotta go, though, at some point. They keep diverting my eyes from the guitar itself. :shock:

Let me ask, though. With those pickup rings, is it easier to play the Blues on that guitar?
 

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fronobulax said:
Why do you say that? Everything I can see in the pictures is consistent with an original case.

Well, it doesn't say Guild anyway and has other markings on it, which I assumed to be connected with another brand. On close inspection, they are a bit roughly drawn. Maybe added by an owner, although I can't think why. I can't see evidence of a badge having been removed. Not sure if they actually had one, but I would have thought so.

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Thanks Treem, TF. No, blues are not easier to play, but glam rock is. It must be that particular shade!

Funny - in natural light, they almost pass for black. For your viewing pleasure, I will post again once I've located some super-fine steel wool and stripped them back.
 

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:evil: 8) Ahh But "the Blue ring Octopus' has killed many a man( and women and child) Down here folks.( no joke), It IS one deadly bugger! So maybe fearless will extract some lethal tones from that sweet little creature.
Either way, Congrats Fearless for helping another fine Guild wind its way and spin it's magic in this big wide world. :wink: 'On ya!
 

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Congratulations on the new baby Fearless, and John and I are all ears for that shipping workaround to Oz!
 

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10's are on the heavy side in the solid body player's world, that's the gauge I use on electrics BTW, but regardless, I was saying I don't like the feel of them on that particular guitar, maybe cuz of the rollers, dunno but I use 9's on it and find they stay in place much better (on said rollers).
But hey, if 10's work on yours, awesome! Let me know how it takes the 11's though, I'm curious.... :D
 

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Hey! A Fellow Axe-FX Ultra user.

That Guild is nice too. :)
 
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