West R Lee
Venerated Member
Can anyone give me, with cerainty, the actual part number of the kidney shaped Grover tuners in 18:1? I need to do a straight change out on a JF55.
Thanks,
West
Thanks,
West
I Need Some Tech Help, But it Pertains to Acoustic Guitars
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Nigel Wickwire
Member
West, I'm certainly no expert, but take a look at these:
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/...rover_Tuners/Grover_Full-size_Rotomatics.html
They worked on a Guild that I had temporary custody of, they looked to be the real deal to me.
~nw
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/...rover_Tuners/Grover_Full-size_Rotomatics.html
They worked on a Guild that I had temporary custody of, they looked to be the real deal to me.
~nw
West R Lee
Venerated Member
Nigel Wickwire said:
Thanks Nige, I ordered them....in 18:1. We'll see.
West
cjd-player
Senior Member
Aw shucks.West R Lee said:
I can't help this time.
:wink:
I got my set from Don, Jim. Just FYI. I believe he had 'em shipped from Allparts? Not sure. I did exactly that on my '71 F-50R (new Grovers 18:1 substitute for the oldies). There's a slight difference in the ferrule (the newer one has bigger diameter) so I had to invert my truss rod cover as a result. Now I'm open to ridicule anytime I show someone the headstock.
West R Lee
Venerated Member
Chazmo said:I got my set from Don, Jim. Just FYI. I believe he had 'em shipped from Allparts? Not sure. I did exactly that on my '71 F-50R (new Grovers 18:1 substitute for the oldies). There's a slight difference in the ferrule (the newer one has bigger diameter) so I had to invert my truss rod cover as a result. Now I'm open to ridicule anytime I show someone the headstock.
:shock: :shock: :shock: I my gosh, I refuse to turn my truss rod cover upside down....may be I'l get a custom cover or something. Sorry Chazzy, I've just picked at too many people for too long to do that on one of mine
. I wish I had thought of Don. :lol: West
adorshki
Reverential Member
Extensive research has shown that fully 31% of all Guilds will suffer from Inverted Truss Rod Cover Syndrome (commonly known as "Gibsonism") at some point in their lives. Sadly, some will never recover.
Please support your local chapter of the ITRCS Recovery Society.
Please support your local chapter of the ITRCS Recovery Society.
cjd-player
Senior Member
Wow, I had no idea that the problem was so widespread. :shock:adorshki said:Extensive research has shown that fullly 31% of all Guilds will suffer from Inverted Truss Rod Cover Syndrome (commonly known as "Gibsonism") at some point in their lives. Sadly, some will never recover.
Please support your local chapter of the ITRCS Recovery Society.
I just saw a commercial for that on TV last night.
It had the sad puppy dog eyes, old folks staring into space, etc, etc.
I just didn't take it seriously at the time.
Now I feel really bad that I didn't call the number.
So, do you have the JF-55 in your hot little hands, or is it en route and you're just prepping for its arrival?
West R Lee
Venerated Member
Chazmo said:
Welp, she's supposed to be being checked out by a luthier on Saturday and sent here next week. You'll get a full report.
West
West R Lee
Venerated Member
jmm55 said:
I'm buying a guitar that has badly pitted machine heads, it's a '97. I was looking for the origional machines and the origionals are indeed Grovers, but not 18:1. Apparently, according to Chazmo, the gear covers are a bit larger than the origionals. The D and G tuners fit closely to the truss rod cover, and if the heads were substantially larger, you'd have to put the larger part of the cover flare towards the bottom. Does that make sense?
West
Scratch
Enlightened Member
What did you buy West?
jmm55 said:
Dare I speak the evil words..."If it don't fit, invert it."
Heresy, I say! Alas, this manner of thinking has caused needless pain and suffering amongst the faithful. Believe it or not, and I know this is tough to grasp, some people have actually inverted the cover *on purpose*!!! There should be a law!
Far be it from me to suggest anyone bypass induction into the well-intentioned Inverted Truss Rod Cover Syndrome Recovery Society (ITRCSRS) but (and this is for informational purposes only), were it me, and I was wanting to add newer tuning machines that were ever-so-slighly larger than the old ones to the point that the truss rod cover didn't quite fit, I would introduce that cute little piece of plastic to Mr. Sandpaper. In just a few short moments a slightly scaled-down truss rod cover would once again adorn the headstock and be positioned in the true and proper direction.
Note: If one is nervous about altering the 'stock' condition of one's guitar, save the old tuners and TRC for the day you put the guitar up for sale, buy a replacement TRC and modify it to fit inside the new tuners.
Just a thought.
Christopher
West R Lee said:
I wish it did
It seems to me that on my guitars the posts (and washers that go on the headstock faceplate) of the high E and Low E are closest to the truss rod cover, and I could see how larger washers could come into contact with certain Truss rod covers. But please try to elaborate on how the D and G come into play. I am curious to understand this completely.I would add that I have never understood the want or need for 18:1 tuners. Personally, I like 16:1, and am just as happy with 14:1, because they provide more tactile feedback, to me anyway. But it seems more and more tuners are 18:1 these days.
One might think that either an extremely long TRC is being used...jmm55 said:
or
stringing the D and G strings in the 6th and 1st tuner positions is responsible for that one-of-a-kind sound.
:lol:
Christopher
BurstD55
Member
You dont need a TRC! If the shoe dosent fit, take it off! Of course this is my mantra when it comes to my 1980's (dare I say vintage) err rusty toyota 4x4 pickup. If the skid plate dosent fit anymore because it is bent take it off, if the bumper skirt is bent from pushing dead jeeps around take it off...
I have heard that the truss cover adds substantial weight and makes the guitar off balance. And if you have already modified the headstock by shaving the sides down you will want to remove the TRC for sure. Just think of the liberation!
I have heard that the truss cover adds substantial weight and makes the guitar off balance. And if you have already modified the headstock by shaving the sides down you will want to remove the TRC for sure. Just think of the liberation!
adorshki
Reverential Member
I'm not sure the world is ready to deal with naked truss rod adjustment nuts.BurstD55 said:
They can't even deal with the fact that we Scots don't like to wear scratchy woolen underwear underneath our kilts.
BurstD55 said:
Reminds me of one of my favorite bits from perhaps my favorite TV show; the trashed Toyota pickup truck. :lol: