I've been on a Honeymooners binge lately. Jackie Gleason makes me bust out laughing, which is good for the body and soul. He and Art Carney are one of the best duos in comedy.
The greatest line.Likely my favorite Honeymooners is Art Carney trying to learn golf in Ralph's apartment. "Address the ball!" "Hello ball!"
Yup!Also, young kids of the late 70's/80's who watched the Flintstones cartoon likely had no idea they were basically watching the prehistoric Honeymooners. I saw the connection right away.
Yup!
The insufferable-head-of-household TV continuum:
- The Life of Riley
- The Honeymooners
- The Flintstones
- All In the Family
- The Simpsons
Never saw Family Guy. That might be the next one. Other candidates?
Sure there's the ongoing insufferable head of household theme that's mainstream in sitcoms......but with the Flintstones, it IS the Honeymooners. The characters, their voices, their wives, the lodge they belong to, the never ending schemes they get into that backfire....just to miraculously resolve unscathed. It was a direct facsimile of the Honeymooners, in a cartoon prehistoric setting. It's like the creators made no attempt to hide the direct connection.Yup!
The insufferable-head-of-household TV continuum:
- The Life of Riley
- The Honeymooners
- The Flintstones
- All In the Family
- The Simpsons
Never saw Family Guy. That might be the next one. Other candidates?
Sure there's the ongoing insufferable head of household theme that's mainstream in sitcoms......but with the Flintstones, it IS the Honeymooners. The characters, their voices, their wives, the lodge they belong to, the never ending schemes they get into that backfire....just to miraculously resolve unscathed. It was a direct facsimile of the Honeymooners, in a cartoon prehistoric setting. It's like the creators made no attempt to hide the direct connection.
Yup!Sure there's the ongoing insufferable head of household theme that's mainstream in sitcoms......but with the Flintstones, it IS the Honeymooners. . . .
Not really. George Jetson didn't have a neighbor best friend he always got into hyjinx with....while their wives lamented behind their backs over their never ending hair brained schemes. Or went bowling, or were members of a lodge w/ goofy animal hat mascots. The character details were just....too similar w/ Ralph/Ed-Fred/Barney (and all their wives)Of course, The Jetsons = The Flintstones = The Honeymooners.
I don't remember George being a blithering boob.Of course, The Jetsons = The Flintstones = The Honeymooners.
How many times did this interaction happen?I don't remember George being a blithering boob.
It's not quite the xerox that Flintstones was, but virtually every sitcom/Western was identical to every other, with interchangeable parts. Ben Cartwright a widower? Add Hop Sing as the 'surrogate mother.' Ditto Uncle Charley in My Three Sons.Not really. George Jetson didn't have a neighbor best friend he always got into hyjinx with....while their wives lamented behind their backs over their never ending hair brained schemes. Or went bowling, or were members of a lodge w/ goofy animal hat mascots. The character details were just....too similar w/ Ralph/Ed-Fred/Barney (and all their wives)
In tv/film, there have been SO many rehashed plots it's not even funny. For every film that comes out today where people say, "that's just a rehash of "_____" film from the 60's-70's, I'd bet past generations said the exact same thing about those films being rehashes of films from the 40's-50's, and I'd bet they too were loosely based on plots from theatre productions from well before then. It's like there are but 15-20 really good stories that have been told 1000 times over in every way imaginable.
Not really. George Jetson didn't have a neighbor best friend he always got into hyjinx with....while their wives lamented behind their backs over their never ending hair brained schemes. Or went bowling, or were members of a lodge w/ goofy animal hat mascots. The character details were just....too similar w/ Ralph/Ed-Fred/Barney (and all their wives)
In tv/film, there have been SO many rehashed plots it's not even funny. For every film that comes out today where people say, "that's just a rehash of "_____" film from the 60's-70's, I'd bet past generations said the exact same thing about those films being rehashes of films from the 40's-50's, and I'd bet they too were loosely based on plots from theatre productions from well before then. It's like there are but 15-20 really good stories that have been told 1000 times over in every way imaginable.
^ The seven basic plots may be somewhat accurate in the bulk of generic storytelling, but it certainly doesn't hold true for all. Some of the more critically acclaimed filmmakers have succeeded in telling a story in a way no one was ever used to. From Kubrick to Tarantino, we've gotten off the wall character studies that don't follow any traditional protagonist/antagonist plot line. (Likely why they are my two all time favorite filmmakers)