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an instrument that was "made" by a single person who had a vision and used parts, tools and techniques to achieve that vison.
Yes, this. The parts can be CNC'd, but the final product is still based on either the single luthier's (or his small shop's) ability to take those parts and pieces and know how to refine them to get to the final product. Big companies (Martin, et al) use CNC, but build their guitar to a spec. Those parts and pieces that were machine-cut might be smooth off by hand, but they aren't refined before being glued together. A luthier will feel, tap, scrape, and flex all the bits and pieces and make slight adjustments (before and after gluing). Building to a spec produces guitars that end up on a bell-shaped curve. A small number are just so-so and a small number are excellent. The majority are good. A luthier and/or small shop that make adjustments based on the properties of the materials being used (instead of building to a spec) are going to have more guitars that end up on the right side of the curve ("excellent").
 

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I got a friend who makes guitars by hand.
He recently made an aluminium bridge for an old Gibson bass from a solid block of the metal.
To me, that is handmade.
 

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I got a friend who makes guitars by hand.
He recently made an aluminium bridge for an old Gibson bass from a solid block of the metal.
To me, that is handmade.
Did he carve it somehow or use a CNC or milling machine?
 

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His Jedi powers🙂

I believe he has some kind of machine GAD.
I guess the thing is that if he were to make another one, it would probably be slightly different.
It’s a hard definition isn’t it.
 

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His Jedi powers🙂

I believe he has some kind of machine GAD.
I guess the thing is that if he were to make another one, it would probably be slightly different.
It’s a hard definition isn’t it.

Jedi powers for the win! I agree it's a not-so-simple phrase.

I design and build a lot of stuff using my 3D printer, electric components, programming skill, and a soldering iron. I've then created a new thing and used a lot of creative energy to do so. Certainly I soldered all the components together after designing the circuit, and I programmed the Ardiono or Raspberry Pi from scratch using decades of acquired knowledge and skill. I taught myself 3D design and designed the thing that holds it all - and then had to assemble all the finished pieces. But I don't know that I'd call it hand made. But maybe I should (read on).

Another example:

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I certainly didn't design the Strat, but I took the design and modified it, then modified other people's designs for all the plastic parts and 3D printed them, glued the body together, then assembled a bunch of industry standard parts into a guitar. But is that a hand-made guitar? It's certainly not on the same level as @AcornHouse and I could argue that any Strat is only assembled, but Merriam-Webster says handmade means made by hand or by a hand process so I guess that's my handmade guitar.

BTW after almost three years the geometry of that guitar has not shifted a mm (aside from humidity-based truss-rod adjustments) so far as I can tell, so handmade quality for the win. :)

I think the term handmade invokes an image of an old-world craftsman doing an old-world craft which is why I resist using the the teerm for things I build, though I think as an antonym for mass-produced perhaps it works.
 

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Jedi powers for the win! I agree it's a not-so-simple phrase.

I design and build a lot of stuff using my 3D printer, electric components, programming skill, and a soldering iron. I've then created a new thing and used a lot of creative energy to do so. Certainly I soldered all the components together after designing the circuit, and I programmed the Ardiono or Raspberry Pi from scratch using decades of acquired knowledge and skill. I taught myself 3D design and designed the thing that holds it all - and then had to assemble all the finished pieces. But I don't know that I'd call it hand made. But maybe I should (read on).

Another example:

GAD-3D-Printed-Guitar-Strat-TopFull.jpg


I certainly didn't design the Strat, but I took the design and modified it, then modified other people's designs for all the plastic parts and 3D printed them, glued the body together, then assembled a bunch of industry standard parts into a guitar. But is that a hand-made guitar? It's certainly not on the same level as @AcornHouse and I could argue that any Strat is only assembled, but Merriam-Webster says handmade means made by hand or by a hand process so I guess that's my handmade guitar.

BTW after almost three years the geometry of that guitar has not shifted a mm (aside from humidity-based truss-rod adjustments) so far as I can tell, so handmade quality for the win. :)

I think the term handmade invokes an image of an old-world craftsman doing an old-world craft which is why I resist using the the teerm for things I build, though I think as an antonym for mass-produced perhaps it works.

You should make a purple switch tip to tie in the 4th body color. The other 3 all have corresponding hardware. Just a thought.
 

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Jedi powers for the win! I agree it's a not-so-simple phrase.

I design and build a lot of stuff using my 3D printer, electric components, programming skill, and a soldering iron. I've then created a new thing and used a lot of creative energy to do so. Certainly I soldered all the components together after designing the circuit, and I programmed the Ardiono or Raspberry Pi from scratch using decades of acquired knowledge and skill. I taught myself 3D design and designed the thing that holds it all - and then had to assemble all the finished pieces. But I don't know that I'd call it hand made. But maybe I should (read on).

Another example:

GAD-3D-Printed-Guitar-Strat-TopFull.jpg


I certainly didn't design the Strat, but I took the design and modified it, then modified other people's designs for all the plastic parts and 3D printed them, glued the body together, then assembled a bunch of industry standard parts into a guitar. But is that a hand-made guitar? It's certainly not on the same level as @AcornHouse and I could argue that any Strat is only assembled, but Merriam-Webster says handmade means made by hand or by a hand process so I guess that's my handmade guitar.

BTW after almost three years the geometry of that guitar has not shifted a mm (aside from humidity-based truss-rod adjustments) so far as I can tell, so handmade quality for the win. :)

I think the term handmade invokes an image of an old-world craftsman doing an old-world craft which is why I resist using the the teerm for things I build, though I think as an antonym for mass-produced perhaps it works.
That’s cool.

I pilfered a bit of his blog on his process for the bridge block.

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I know it's not an acoustic, but as I recall the first CNC guitar was the Peavy T60 in the late '70s or early '80s:

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I almost bought one at the time because I thought it was cool as hell, but it weighed probably 14 pounds so I ended up with a Guild S300AD, which I'd say was the better choice. :)
No doubt the better choice...not too sure I would be following you on LT"P".
 

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I have a machine shop with lathes, mill, saws, drill presses, cut-off saws, arc welders (AC and DC), acetylene tanks and torches for cutting and brazing.
I like it when someone comes into the shop and says, "I cannot find anyone to make this, do you think you can?". To which I always reply, "I would love to try."

I say all that to say this, In 12 years I have made zero (0) things that I can say is hand made. Closest was a double truss rod but had to drill 4 holes with milling machine. Everything else was done with hacksaw, left and righted handed taps and dies, hand file, brazing torch.
I agree with GAD, "Handmade" is a marketing ploy but I like guitars that have one builder from start to finish.
 

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I have a machine shop with lathes, mill, saws, drill presses, cut-off saws, arc welders (AC and DC), acetylene tanks and torches for cutting and brazing.
I like it when someone comes into the shop and says, "I cannot find anyone to make this, do you think you can?". To which I always reply, "I would love to try."

I say all that to say this, In 12 years I have made zero (0) things that I can say is hand made. Closest was a double truss rod but had to drill 4 holes with milling machine. Everything else was done with hacksaw, left and righted handed taps and dies, hand file, brazing torch.
I agree with GAD, "Handmade" is a marketing ploy but I like guitars that have one builder from start to finish.
Also very cool!

I'd love to have metalworking skills or even woodworking skills but I've tried and I'm just not good at either. I've toyed repeatedly with getting a small multi-axis mill or even a small CNC to mess around with, but for the most part designing and building in plastic solves the problems I encounter. I think somehow additive manufacturing fits in my brain better than subtractive manufacturing. I blame Lego. :)
 

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GAD:
Respectfully, disagree that you lack metal working skills - you have them - they are just redirected. See guitar in post #27. Wow!!
 
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