Guild "True American" different neck than traditionals?

[MojoTooth]

Anyway, the truss rod sayd "true american" because they unified the production of the neck with the "true american" like, aka the DC-1E, you can see it because the guitar has the "true american" head, not the wider and more traditional design.

can anyone tell me more about this, what makes the neck on a "True American" Guild different than say an older Guild or non-true american? does this make it better, worse, bout the same? any concerns with these necks? i always thought they just added the true american TRC to make it look more "cool", it sounds interesting how they are different, can anyone elaborate?

Here is the guitar we were discussing

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... _500wt_960

 

[Qvart]

can anyone tell me more about this, what makes the neck on a "True American" Guild different than say an older Guild or non-true american?

The DCE series don't seem to be different. Don't know about D25's.

 

[hansmoust]

Anyway, the truss rod sayd "true american" because they unified the production of the neck with the "true american" like, aka the DC-1E, you can see it because the guitar has the "true american" head, not the wider and more traditional design.

That is not a correct statement. You're mixing up different features! The neck/headstock design you are referring to has nothing to do with the 'True American' series, which were basically a marketing thing and not necessarily a design feature.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[MojoTooth]

Hey guys, I got the infro from this post

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=18926

Cuthbert said something about it being a different neck than traditional. It was the first I had heard of that, I thought the TRC was just added for an extra little bell and whistle.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I didn't think there are anything different but wanted to learn more about it if so.

So in the end, this D25 has the same headstock and neck as a vintage make? right?

 

[hansmoust]

So in the end, this D25 has the same headstock and neck as a vintage make? right?

Eh ........no! First you need to define 'vintage'.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[MojoTooth]

So in the end, this D25 has the same headstock and neck as a vintage make? right?

Eh ........no! First you need to define 'vintage'.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

haha say a 78 D25 or a 85 D25. Or even a 2003 Corona D25 which I have. Sorry I am a newbie when it comes to all the details.

 

[cuthbert]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was talking about the head....stock! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The neck should be the same, but the shape of the headstocks are VERY different, therefore I assume that when they re-issued the D-25 they used what the had in house, aka the small headstock...more clear, now?

See here:

"vintage" D-25 headstock (70s and 80s).

"true american" D-25 headstock (90s).

The latter is narrower,and the logo is MOP.

 

[MojoTooth]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was talking about the head....stock! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The neck should be the same, but the shape of the headstocks are VERY different, therefore I assume that when they re-issued the D-25 they used what the had in house, aka the small headstock...more clear, now?

got ya! nah no worries man, i am a Guild newbie and trying to learn all the ins and outs of the brand. my misunderstanding! thanks to everyone here for all the great info and communication, this place is a Godsend for me as a Guild lover.

 

[cuthbert]

Anyway, the truss rod sayd "true american" because they unified the production of the neck with the "true american" like, aka the DC-1E, you can see it because the guitar has the "true american" head, not the wider and more traditional design.

That is not a correct statement. You're mixing up different features! The neck/headstock design you are referring to has nothing to do with the 'True American' series, which were basically a marketing thing and not necessarily a design feature.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

You're saying that the headstocks of the D-25 of the 90s is the same as the ones of the 80s? :shock:

 

[hansmoust]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was talking about the head....stock!

The neck should be the same, but the shape of the headstocks are VERY different, therefore I assume that when they re-issued the D-25 they used what the had in house, aka the small headstock...more clear, now?

Actually, I was totally aware of what you were saying but it doesn't make sense.

First of all the narrower headstock design goes back much further than the 'True American' series and secondly, the D-25 was never discontinued in Westerly and consequently it was never re-issued.

You're saying that the headstocks of the D-25 of the 90s is the same as the ones of the 80s?

Not necessarely! The headstock change happened during 1987.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[West R Lee]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was talking about the head....stock! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The neck should be the same, but the shape of the headstocks are VERY different, therefore I assume that when they re-issued the D-25 they used what the had in house, aka the small headstock...more clear, now?

got ya! nah no worries man, i am a Guild newbie and trying to learn all the ins and outs of the brand. my misunderstanding! thanks to everyone here for all the great info and communication, this place is a Godsend for me as a Guild lover.

Mojo, as time goes on you'll understand when Hans answers a question, there's usually not much room for questions after that :wink: . I know, you're a newbie......just enlightening you. Mr. Moust IS the Guild guitar encyclopedia.

West

West

 

[cuthbert]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was talking about the head....stock!

The neck should be the same, but the shape of the headstocks are VERY different, therefore I assume that when they re-issued the D-25 they used what the had in house, aka the small headstock...more clear, now?

Actually, I was totally aware of what you were saying but it doesn't make sense.

First of all the narrower headstock design goes back much further than the 'True American' series and secondly, the D-25 was never discontinued in Westerly and consequently it was never re-issued.

You're saying that the headstocks of the D-25 of the 90s is the same as the ones of the 80s?

Not necessarely! The headstock change happened during 1987.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

Hans, the entire point of the discussion was that the headstock (and the neck) was the same of the true American series that was produced at the same time therefore somebody could have installed the wrong truss rod cover on that D-25. Does it make sense now?

 

[hansmoust]

Hans, the entire point of the discussion was that the headstock (and the neck) was the same of the true American series that was produced at the same time therefore somebody could have installed the wrong truss rod cover on that D-25. Does it make sense now?

Actually you stated that the D-25 did get the same headstock as the 'True American' ( DCE-1 etc.) series, while the D-25 already had that headstock long before the 'True American' series were introduced.

The D-25 (and several other guitars) did get the 'True American' truss rod cover during the '90s but that's all there was.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[cuthbert]

Hans, the entire point of the discussion was that the headstock (and the neck) was the same of the true American series that was produced at the same time therefore somebody could have installed the wrong truss rod cover on that D-25. Does it make sense now?

Actually you stated that the D-25 did get the same headstock as the 'True American' ( DCE-1 etc.) series, while the D-25 already had that headstock long before the 'True American' series were introduced.

The D-25 (and several other guitars) did get the 'True American' truss rod cover during the '90s but that's all there was.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

Yes and in this I was mistaken because I've never seen a D-25 from the late 80s/early 90s, anyway most of the Guilds of the 90s that I've seen didn't have the "true american" truss rod, but if you're saying that it was a standard feature who am I to disagree?

Pointless debate, however.

 

[MojoTooth]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was talking about the head....stock! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The neck should be the same, but the shape of the headstocks are VERY different, therefore I assume that when they re-issued the D-25 they used what the had in house, aka the small headstock...more clear, now?

got ya! nah no worries man, i am a Guild newbie and trying to learn all the ins and outs of the brand. my misunderstanding! thanks to everyone here for all the great info and communication, this place is a Godsend for me as a Guild lover.

Mojo, as time goes on you'll understand when Hans answers a question, there's usually not much room for questions after that :wink: . I know, you're a newbie......just enlightening you. Mr. Moust IS the Guild guitar encyclopedia.

West

West

yessir, I have seen this many times! We are all lucky to have a knowledgeable and generous guy like Hans around!

Thanks again Hans!

 

[adorshki]

For what it's worth I seem to remember reading around here somewhere that the "True American" theme was introduced to help the D4 gain sales traction when new. Something to help give what was bascially the cheapest Guild you could buy some "identity". My D25 came with the True American TRC and I thought it was a very cool detail but that's all it was as far as I can tell. In my '96 Guild catalog the D4 is shown and described as a "True American" (and is the only guitar in the catalog so described) while the D25 is pictured with a "25th Anniversary" TRC, which was already 3 years out of date, but gives another piece of historical evidence about D25 TRCs.

 

[hansmoust]

For what it's worth I seem to remember reading around here somewhere that the "True American" theme was introduced to help the D4 gain sales traction when new.

Hello adorshki,

Don't know who wrote that but it's not correct. The D-4 was introduced during 1991 and it was not called 'True American' at that time. The first guitar that was labeled 'True American' was the DCE-1 during 1993 followed by the DCE-5 a couple of months later.

In my '96 Guild catalog the D4 is shown and described as a "True American" (and is the only guitar in the catalog so described)

It sounds like you have a different '96 Catalog because in the one that I have, the D4 is not described as a 'True American'. The only guitars in the '96 catalog that have the 'True American' truss rod cover are again the DCE-1 and the DCE-5.

It all changes in the 1997 catalog in which the D25, the D25-12, the D4, the D4-12 and the DCE1 and DCE5 are labeled as the True Americans.

while the D25 is pictured with a "25th Anniversary" TRC, which was already 3 years out of date, but gives another piece of historical evidence about D25 TRCs.

Actually I have a very funny story about that but I will have to save that for later.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[adorshki]

It sounds like you have a different '96 Catalog because in the one that I have, the D4 is not described as a 'True American'. The only guitars in the '96 catalog that have the 'True American' truss rod cover are again the DCE-1 and the DCE-5.
It all changes in the 1997 catalog in which the D25, the D25-12, the D4, the D4-12 and the DCE1 and DCE5 are labeled as the True Americans.
Actually I have a very funny story about that but I will have to save that for later.
Sincerely,
Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

Thanks for setting the record straight. I try to make it clear when I'm not absolutely sure about something, and I may have "mis-remembered" what I saw when I was looking through the catalog just recently. I assume there was just one '96 catalog. We look up to you as an ACCURATE source of info and I truly appreciate the value of that. I'm one of those guys that hates to see myths propogated.
And I'm looking forward to that funny story. I assume you're hinting it's slated for the next volume of "the book".

 

[markus]

Actually I have a very funny story about that but I will have to save that for later.

That's what they call a cliffhanger… !? :shock:
Markus