Guild acoustic identification

[jazzmang]

It sounds like you didn't realize that the JF-55 was renamed to F-50R after the Westerly plant closed.

Ah, that was it!

I thought Westerly was making F-50Rs when they closed. Now it all makes much more sense.

Thank you teacher! :wink:

 

[Treem]

Serial number is JF500034.

Hans - What is the measurement of lower bout on the JF50R? 16"? or 17"?

Treem 8)

 

[hansmoust]

Serial number is JF500034.

Hans - What is the measurement of lower bout on the JF50R? 16"? or 17"?

Treem

Hello Treem,

That's a 17" wide body.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[chazmo]

So, I know the burning question everyone now has... Is the truss rod cover upside down on that JF-50R?

That's the first JF-50R I've seen. I take it that Gruhn (and Walker?) felt that "JF" was a body style name that was for the 17" jumbos. That kind of makes sense -- a body style should have a designation. Why this particular one would be a "-50R" while the fancier rosewood model was "-55" and unfancy arched maple model was "-30" while the fancy maple was "-65" is not very comprehensible to me. It amuses me, actually. Did Gruhn really think he was simplifying the naming at this time? That's what he said in his guitar buying guide, but this sillyness in the JF series makes me wonder...

 

[hansmoust]

I take it that Gruhn (and Walker?) felt that "JF" was a body style name that was for the 17" jumbos. That kind of makes sense -- a body style should have a designation. Why this particular one would be a "-50R" while the fancier rosewood model was "-55" and unfancy arched maple model was "-30" while the fancy maple was "-65" is not very comprehensible to me. It amuses me, actually. Did Gruhn really think he was simplifying the naming at this time? That's what he said in his guitar buying guide, but this sillyness in the JF series makes me wonder...

Hey Chazmo,

You need to look at the entire line from that particular period to see the logic. That also means that you need to forget about the model designations before the change and what happened to the system after George Gruhn had left the company. What George had in mind when he changed the system (although the way the system worked before, never really bothered me) was very logical. However it didn't take long for Guild to mess up the system again within a couple of years.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[chazmo]

I take it that Gruhn (and Walker?) felt that "JF" was a body style name that was for the 17" jumbos. That kind of makes sense -- a body style should have a designation. Why this particular one would be a "-50R" while the fancier rosewood model was "-55" and unfancy arched maple model was "-30" while the fancy maple was "-65" is not very comprehensible to me. It amuses me, actually. Did Gruhn really think he was simplifying the naming at this time? That's what he said in his guitar buying guide, but this sillyness in the JF series makes me wonder...

Hey Chazmo,

You need to look at the entire line from that particular period to see the logic. That also means that you need to forget about the model designations before the change and what happened to the system after George Gruhn had left the company. What George had in mind when he changed the system (although the way the system worked before, never really bothered me) was very logical. However it didn't take long for Guild to mess up the system again within a couple of years.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

OK, Hans. Fair enough on the Gruhn system. And, agreed, the question of whether change was necessary in the first place is a valid one, but my it sure has gotten confusing over the years hasn't it?!

So, out of curiosity, were there ever any other "JF" models produced then the -30, -50, -55, and -65 models (GADs notwithstanding)? And, am I correct that the JF designation really does only encompass 17" jumbo style bodies?

 

[dapmdave]

Treem...so you called the seller? And the call went something like this...Hi, you don't know me, I'm from San Fernando Valley of the Shadow of Death and someone online who lives in South Carolina gave me a link to your guitar which is for sale in Urbana, IL...so what can you tell me about the guitar...

Actually when I called MA about the Guild I bought this summer it wasn't quite that bad but the seller did wonder why she was getting my call when she put it in Craig's List so she wouldn't have to hassel with shipping...

Gotta love technology, eh? joan

Joan,

Yes and you nailed right it in eye! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually, I called just to got some pictures over the weekend. And forgot all about it until I got an email from seller with the pictures. And even offered me a good price for it too! :shock: :lol: 8)

But I have already shot down a GV52 and will be landing in hands next week. So, if anybody wants to buy a JF50R in Excellent Condition!! You know what do!! Call the seller, pretend your Treem and say that, you've called the buy guitar. And everything will alright!! :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

Anybody know blue book and how many made :?:

Grace and Peace be with you all,

Treem 8)

I don't have the blue book, but the 2009 Vintage Guitar Price Guide listing for a JF50R (made 1987-1988) gives a range of values from $1200 - $1500.

Dave

 

[Treem]

I don't have the blue book, but the 2009 Vintage Guitar Price Guide listing for a JF50R (made 1987-1988) gives a range of values from $1200 - $1500. Dave

And this one is still for sale too!! :shock:

Thanks Dave.....Treem 8)

 

[hansmoust]

am I correct that the JF designation really does only encompass 17" jumbo style bodies?

Yes, the J in JF stands for Jumbo, which means 17" wide body.

So, out of curiosity, were there ever any other "JF" models produced then the -30, -50, -55, and -65 models?

Yup, a bunch of 'm and I will tell you the names, but don't ask me to write down what they are!

JF-4 ( and JF-4-12 ) , JF-26, JF-48, JF-100 ( and JF-100-12).

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[dapmdave]

I don't have the blue book, but the 2009 Vintage Guitar Price Guide listing for a JF50R (made 1987-1988) gives a range of values from $1200 - $1500. Dave

And this one is still for sale too!! :shock:

Thanks Dave.....Treem 8)

Interesting to note that according to the Guild site, they only made 112 JF-50s in total. So this is kind of a rare Guild.

 

[chazmo]

am I correct that the JF designation really does only encompass 17" jumbo style bodies?

Yes, the J in JF stands for Jumbo, which means 17" wide body.

So, out of curiosity, were there ever any other "JF" models produced then the -30, -50, -55, and -65 models?

Yup, a bunch of 'm and I will tell you the names, but don't ask me to write down what they are!

JF-4 ( and JF-4-12 ) , JF-26, JF-48, JF-100 ( and JF-100-12).

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

Ah, thanks Hans... Of course, I'd heard about the -4 and the -100 models before, but I'd forgotten. The -26 and -48 are new ones to me. Great! Learn something every time we speak, Hans! Best wishes!

 

[spiderman]

The 17" lower bout width applies rule applies to Westerlys as my JF55 is that width. However the GAD is a little bit smaller at a tad shy of 16 3/4". Don't know if this is true of all GAD models, but it is true of mine. You could say it is a "nominal 17". Many jumbos of other manufacturers are smaller, until the Grand series of Martins which are 17", all other Martin jumbos are 16". Enough nitpicking for tonight.

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[chazmo]

Spiderman,

Yeah, I was keeping my question away from the GAD series; they've modified most of the specs a bit so that those models should be treated separately.

The Martin Grand J series is indeed a 17" Guild-style jumbo. Their other "jumbo" models don't fit the Guild nomenclature. As a matter of fact, the Martin Grand J12-40E Special was introduced as the first of the Grand J line last year, and it seemingly is a clone of the F-512/JF-55. The shape is slightly different, but not a lot. I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

 

[Guildenstern]

I was wondering if anybody can tell me what Guild acoustics Duff and Slash are playing in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErvgV4P6Fzc

Duff's is the black one (0.29 secs in)
Slash's is the natural front with dark sides and back (0.23 secs in)

Which Guild model is Izzy playing?