Got to check out an elder statesman Guild 12 string today..

[Dubbaround]

I was at my local musical instrument emporium, "The Folk Cellar" in Wolfeboro NH....
And there in a stand was a 12 string Guild, obviously an old one..it is the personal guitar of one owner, and he told me a bit about it..
It's the 173rd Guild 212 made. 1958 I think he said. I didn't ask to strum it, as that seemed a bit of a breech of common etiquette.
But boy, what a nice 12 string...one of his pride and joy instruments, no doubt.

I told him about this place, and asked him to join us with pics. I hope he does.

 

[GuildFS4612CE]

Ah, but you could have asked him if he would play his guitar so you could HEAR it. :idea: :wink: :mrgreen:

 

[Dubbaround]

Ah, but you could have asked him if he would play his guitar so you could HEAR it. :idea: :wink: :mrgreen:

I never even though of that. Dang!

 

[Ridgemont]

very cool. I found them online and saw the 212 in one of their pictures. Nice looking -12er. So this is a retail shop yes? I would assume the musical instruments are for sale? If this is the case, they should have said yes if you asked.

Looks like a shop I would like to visit.

 

[adorshki]

I told him about this place, and asked him to join us with pics. I hope he does.

Oh you're gonna go far here, Dub! :lol: Welcome aboard, again!

 

[Ian]

I would have had no hesitation in asking to play it, same way I am quite happy for anyone to play mine. I see it as an education, it increases everyones knowledge about the guitars, and since almosat everyone I know can play better than I, then I get to hear what my guitars can really do. I'd love to let bluespicky loose on my F30 !!!

 

[twocorgis]

Wolfeboro NH, huh? I spent eight summers at Camp Belknap (still there last time I looked), and after a couple of weeks there would meet my family at our summer camp in Melvin Village (not much left last time I looked). Beautiful spot!

 

[Brad Little]

It's the 173rd Guild 212 made. 1958 I think he said.

Well, the first Guild 12 rolled out of Hoboken in 1964, so maybe he said 1968. Did you notice if it had metal or plastic tuner knobs? It's hard to tell for sure, but if that's it hanging on the wall in one of their pictures, it looks like it has the metal knobs that were on the imported tuners that replaced the Kluson plastic handles on the first couple of years of production. I think that change took place in 1967, but I'm not sure. It might be in Hans book, but I don't have it handy at the moment. If it is 1968 and is the 173rd made, that would put production at about 50 a year. Having seen the Hoboken shop in operation, and considering all the other models they produced, that would seem like a very reasonable number for the F-212.
I'd really be interested in finding production numbers for the F-212. I've only ever run across one with an earlier serial number than mine (38357), I think by another list member.
Brad

 

[Bill Ashton]

Is that the music store in the bottom level a big white building, sort of built into the hillside? A couple streets up from the old train station??

 

[Dubbaround]

Is that the music store in the bottom level a big white building, sort of built into the hillside? A couple streets up from the old train station??

That is it!

 

[Dubbaround]

It's the 173rd Guild 212 made. 1958 I think he said.

Well, the first Guild 12 rolled out of Hoboken in 1964, so maybe he said 1968. Did you notice if it had metal or plastic tuner knobs? It's hard to tell for sure, but if that's it hanging on the wall in one of their pictures, it looks like it has the metal knobs that were on the imported tuners that replaced the Kluson plastic handles on the first couple of years of production. I think that change took place in 1967, but I'm not sure. It might be in Hans book, but I don't have it handy at the moment. If it is 1968 and is the 173rd made, that would put production at about 50 a year. Having seen the Hoboken shop in operation, and considering all the other models they produced, that would seem like a very reasonable number for the F-212.
I'd really be interested in finding production numbers for the F-212. I've only ever run across one with an earlier serial number than mine (38357), I think by another list member.
Brad

I may have heard him wrong....but I thought he said 1958. Since I am clueless, I just took it as truth. Perhaps he misspoke. Since these guys seem to be on the level, nice guys, I tend to think it was simply a gaffe.
I will hound him to join up and talk Guilds with us.

 

[dapmdave]

It's the 173rd Guild 212 made. 1958 I think he said.

Well, the first Guild 12 rolled out of Hoboken in 1964, so maybe he said 1968. Did you notice if it had metal or plastic tuner knobs? It's hard to tell for sure, but if that's it hanging on the wall in one of their pictures, it looks like it has the metal knobs that were on the imported tuners that replaced the Kluson plastic handles on the first couple of years of production. I think that change took place in 1967, but I'm not sure. It might be in Hans book, but I don't have it handy at the moment. If it is 1968 and is the 173rd made, that would put production at about 50 a year. Having seen the Hoboken shop in operation, and considering all the other models they produced, that would seem like a very reasonable number for the F-212.
I'd really be interested in finding production numbers for the F-212. I've only ever run across one with an earlier serial number than mine (38357), I think by another list member.
Brad

Brad,

My '66 has a number of AN-380. Were the earlier S/Ns different? (My Book of Hans is out on loan)

Dave

 

[Bill Ashton]

Popped in there July 4th week this summer while the ladies were shopping elsewhere...stockwise, there wasn't much of interest at the time, but the
proprietor...or at least the guy I think was the proprietor was extremely
friendly. He and another customer were discussing a (bluegrass) violin,
I think...

 

[Brad Little]

Brad,My '66 has a number of AN-380. Were the earlier S/Ns different? (My Book of Hans is out on loan)
Dave

According to Hans book, the AN prefix was introduced in 1965 and a Chesterfield inlay in '68 (p. 128). The Kluson 6 in line tuning machined were replaced with Japanese made metal ones after 1966 (p. 42). As to serial numbers, 1953-1958 they used 4 digit numbers, 1959-1965, 5 digit numbers. Neither of these series had model designations. Sometime in 1965 they adopted a system with a two letter prefix denoting the model, the 212 was AN, 312 was AS (pp. 46-47).
Brad

 

[Dubbaround]

OK.

I went in again today for some TLC application to my D25 and my Silvertone.

Well spent money!

I got the year AND the serial number wrong.

It's a 1961, and the number is 183. He has the Email from Guild with the info, and he's registered here. He needs to be let in by Chazmo...
Then he'll post pics and the email and answer questions and become a regular member I'm sure.
His name is Franz(s?)

 

[jcwu]

His name is Franz(s?)

That's awesome! Now we have both Hans and Franz..

 

[hansmoust]

It's a 1961, and the number is 183. He has the Email from Guild with the info, and he's registered here.

Hello Dubbaround,

It's not your fault nor the fault of the owner of the guitar, but I would not trust any dating info coming from Guild; at least not any dating information that came from Guild during the last 25 years.

There's no such thing as # 183 for a serial number. The only possibility would be #AN-183 and that would make it an F-212 from 1965.

We'll discuss this further when Franz is here.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[adorshki]

His name is Franz(s?)

His parents named him after a pickup? :shock:

 

[Dubbaround]

It's a 1961, and the number is 183. He has the Email from Guild with the info, and he's registered here.

Hello Dubbaround,

It's not your fault nor the fault of the owner of the guitar, but I would not trust any dating info coming from Guild; at least not any dating information that came from Guild during the last 25 years.

There's no such thing as # 183 for a serial number. The only possibility would be #AN-183 and that would make it an F-212 from 1965.

We'll discuss this further when Franz is here.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

I want to say that is exactly the prefix; AN.
He has taken several pics, and one of them is of the sticker in the soundhole.
Like I said, he is awaiting admin activation so he can post.

 

[taabru45]

His name is Franz(s?)

His parents named him after a pickup? :shock:

Noooooo.....an oil filer.... :wink: Steffan