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This is from beyond left field but some things just defy my understanding. We're under a bit of a media barrage pushing these things and I don't get it. The ads that I've seen appear to be geared toward those who might want to look cool. Smoking is still considered cool? :?

I thought that maybe someone here could help me understand the point of this latest fad/foolishness.

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Always curious Joe
 

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They are being marketed as a nicotine delivery system that simulates smoking. Some people are using them as smoking cessation devices, but they are not promoted as such. The thinking is that places where smoking is allowed are becoming fewer and fewer and electronic cigarettes have little restrictions (e.g., I used one in my hotel room in TX and in the airport terminal, although they are not allowed to be used on airplanes). The reason they can be used virtually anywhere is that they don't put out any smoke, but rather water vapor.

This is a fast-growing market and companies are scrambling right now to gain the upper-hand. At my store we are currently carrying our third brand of them after searching for a product that is appealing to customers. This is the one we have now:




The "Blu" idea stems from the early days of ecigs when they were made primarily with tips that glowed red when the user took a drag (to further simulate the experience of smoking). People were using ecigs in places where regular cigarettes were not allowed and when non-smokers saw the red tip they sometimes thought the person was smoking an actual cigarette. So this one company started making ecigs with a tip that glows blue.

As for making them look "cool," I have no idea. I haven't paid much attention to advertising.

Does that help?
 

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Point, Joe! That's exactly what was going through my terrible thing (aka mind) when I posted! :wink:
 

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Qvart said:
Does that help?
Certainly does help, but I still don't get it.
Maybe it's just me, an individual who has absolutely ZERO experience with smoking, and thereby not understanding the appeal.

Thanks for taking the time to help me along the road! :wink:

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killdeer43 said:
Qvart said:
Does that help?
Certainly does help, but I still don't get it.
Maybe it's just me, an individual who has absolutely ZERO experience with smoking, and thereby not understanding the appeal.

Thanks for taking the time to help me along the road! :wink:

Joe


The appeal is that ecigs may be less hazardous to one's health than regular cigarettes because there's no smoke/tar/toxic chemicals. However, I'm pretty sure none of them have been evaluated by the FDA yet so there's no telling at this point. It's still a relatively new industry. But for smokers who can't or don't want to quit it's just another way to get nicotine into your body while simulating the experience of smoking. However, no ecig can match the experience of smoking a real cigarette, and if you've never smoked, DON'T. Me...on the other hand...bad Qvart! Bad Qvart! :lol:
 

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Just another way to poison the body. Does anyone really know what is in the vapor? They also still make the user smell bad, as well as the room he or she is in.

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I smoked for about 50 years, starting young. Most of the time I smoked heavily. I quit 5 years ago. Let me assure you, tobacco is one of the most wonderful drugs known to man. Smokers ride a smooth, low level buzz all day. They think more clearly, metabolize food more efficiently, and have something to occupy them when things are slow. The ritual of raising a Zippo to your smoke is one of life's finer things. The primary down side is health effects, which vary widely between individuals. To dedicated smokers this isn't a particularly important factor. A whole lot of life's pleasures involve personal risk and, statistically, shorten life. Big deal. Everybody dies.

I quit because I developed an allergy to the things. Every time I'd light up, my sinuses would clog and breathing become difficult. Any day I didn't smoke my head and lungs were clear. I wouldn't go back to smoking now. I've come to consider the residual smell repugnant, and the social ramifications aren't worth dealing with. I don't blame anybody for smoking, though, and always tell visitors smoke 'em if you've got 'em.

It's about impossible to ignore the propaganda and nonsense put out by the media and government in this in-touch, virtual day. Cigarettes have been demonized, and that's reached the level of Sacred Cow. If a guy who quit smoking 20 years ago has a heart attack, it's smoking related. Second-hand smoke kills (though there's no more evidence of that than of silicon breast implants causing cancer). On and on it goes. I sure am happy I tuned-out long ago, and don't even have television.
 

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killdeer43 said:
Qvart said:
Does that help?
Certainly does help, but I still don't get it.
Maybe it's just me, an individual who has absolutely ZERO experience with smoking, and thereby not understanding the appeal.

Thanks for taking the time to help me along the road! :wink:

Joe
You hit your answer on the head,Joe. You don't understand because you have no experience with smoking. Smokers don't understand why they smoke, only that they need to. Switching to electronic cigs doesn't help them understand. EC's just give smokers the drug they're addicted to in a cleaner, safer form. Never appealed to me , mostly because I though it just looked dumb. My point is, if the folks that smoke real or imaginary cigs don't understand it, it's not likely that a non-smoker ever will.

103 days and counting for moi.
 

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Hooray for Tony....a week from now he can tell us. "I quit smoking last year." :D Steffan
 

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charliea said:
I smoked for about 50 years, starting young. Most of the time I smoked heavily. I quit 5 years ago. Let me assure you, tobacco is one of the most wonderful drugs known to man. Smokers ride a smooth, low level buzz all day. They think more clearly, metabolize food more efficiently, and have something to occupy them when things are slow. The ritual of raising a Zippo to your smoke is one of life's finer things. The primary down side is health effects, which vary widely between individuals. To dedicated smokers this isn't a particularly important factor. A whole lot of life's pleasures involve personal risk and, statistically, shorten life. Big deal. Everybody dies.

I quit because I developed an allergy to the things. Every time I'd light up, my sinuses would clog and breathing become difficult. Any day I didn't smoke my head and lungs were clear. I wouldn't go back to smoking now. I've come to consider the residual smell repugnant, and the social ramifications aren't worth dealing with. I don't blame anybody for smoking, though, and always tell visitors smoke 'em if you've got 'em.

It's about impossible to ignore the propaganda and nonsense put out by the media and government in this in-touch, virtual day. Cigarettes have been demonized, and that's reached the level of Sacred Cow. If a guy who quit smoking 20 years ago has a heart attack, it's smoking related. Second-hand smoke kills (though there's no more evidence of that than of silicon breast implants causing cancer). On and on it goes. I sure am happy I tuned-out long ago, and don't even have television.

Thanks for a rare point of view these days, and a very honest reply. I smoke, and I want to quit, but I'm slightly overweight already, and would hate to gain more weight.

I probably will quit in the foreseeable future because I'm starting to feel the health downsides of it, and because frankly, it's not fun to smoke any more. The only place, pretty much, I can light up any more, is inside my own home, or outside, in the street.
Not in a bar, where ironically, quite a few people drink theirselves to death.
 

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Walter Broes said:
Not in a bar, where ironically, quite a few people drink theirselves to death.
The other irony is that alcohol has been shown to stimulate the "urge" to smoke. Now we have bars with oustside moking areas where non-smoking passersby are subjected to the unwanrted exposure. Shoulda let 'em keep it inside. One more example of nanny-laws gone wrong.
Yep, I smoke on my balcony but only feel like it if I'm having a beer. Don't want the fumes built up inside my house though.
Somebody said smokers don't know why they smoke but only feel like they need to. I humbly submit that there is a small group of us that realize we just want to cop a buzz with something milder than what could be had from the local dispensary these days.
I alsop want to point out that the commercially producde stuff is nkown to be saturated with additives which have their own toxicity, and there is "organic" tobacco available.
I also happen to be one of those guys who likes his with some clove mixed in.
And no, I don't want to mainline my nicotine. :lol:
 

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I wonder if the Indonesians will produce the E-Clove Cigarette.
Probably after the Cubans market their E-cigar. Imagine the look of that thing!

Big Congrats Tony! Going great. :D And to you smokers for the honest voices of experiene you give. Good insight for us all.
 

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I could go on about this topic forever. Not only do I smoke (and have for something like twenty years) I manage a store where we sell cigarettes and electronic cigarettes. So not only do I have first-hand knowledge of what it's like to be a smoker, I am very well-informed on just about anything you want to know about cigarettes and (to a lesser degree) ecigs.

First off, electronic cigarettes utilize different substances that are vaporized by the electronic activation device (powered by a lithium ion battery that's activated when the user takes a drag). Some are solids and some are oil-based. The manufacturer of Blu ecigs makes a point of emphasizing that their oils are produced in the US (although the actual ecig device is not). However - like I said before - none of these products have been evaluated by the FDA so all there is to go on is the information manufacturers provide. In the end though there's a niche for this product as smoking is allowed in fewer and fewer places and ecigs offer an alternative that is allowed in most places because they don't produce any smoke (just water vapor). And i have yet to come across one that has any sort of smell to it at all. In fact, the few times I've used an ecig no one around me was aware of it unless they saw me take a drag.

As for real cigarettes: Years ago I switched to American Spirits. The selling point for smokers is that they have more tobacco in them and last longer and there are no additives - just plain ol' tobacco. They also have a line of "organic" cigarettes (which only means that the farmers who grow the tobacco used in the organic cigarettes are certified organic growers). The fact that there are no additives or that the tobacco is grown on organic farms does not change the fact that smoking these cigarettes is just as much of a health risk as smoking any other brand. All I know is - and other smokers generally agree - if you switch to American Spirits you find it difficult to smoke any other brands again (e.g., Marlboro, Camel, etc) because you can taste all the additional gunk they put in their tobacco.

As for being a smoker - yeah, it's stupid. I shouldn't do it. And we all plan to quit. It's easy to plan on quitting when you're sitting around smoking a cigarette (like I am right now). Bottom line: if you want to change anything in your life (doesn't matter what it is) you have to want something else more than what you're doing now. That's the only way to make real changes. And ideally the two options should be as mutually exclusive as possible so it's as starkly either/or as possible. When it comes to quitting smoking it's difficult to set it up as something diametrically opposed to the change you want because you slowly adapt your life and habits around smoking so it's always something you can accommodate. The one time I quit for awhile was when I was golfing everyday and found it much easier to walk up and down the hilly course where I had a membership when I didn't smoke (of course if I didn't have such a wicked slice I wouldn't have found myself schlepping a golf bag up and down so many hills to begin with).

As for places where smoking is allowed/not allowed: I wouldn't say I disagree entirely with smoking bans in bars. There have been times when I thought bars were too smokey even for me. Here - as in most states now I'd imagine - bars and restaurants have adapted to the ban by providing designated outdoor spaces. That's fine. I won't complain about freezing my arse off in order to imbibe some nicotine (like I did last night when I went to see a band). And in my town smoking isn't allowed within fifteen feet of business' entrances so it's not like non-smokers ever have to walk through a cloud of heavy smoke to get to where they're going.

BTW, we sell Djarum clove "little cigars" at my store too. They are now classified as "little cigars" because the government banned flavored cigarettes about three years ago. Clove counts as a flavor, but if they're packaged as "little cigars" they don't fall under the prohibition (talk about things that don't make sense). Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if someone produces a clove-flavored ecig cartridge. You can already buy plain tobacco flavor, menthol, cherry, mocha, etc.

Also, I won't smoke in my apartment (not that I'm really allowed to anyway) because I've seen what filth it coats everything with (especially electronics, never mind guitars). But when it's really cold I will sit in my kitchen right next to a fan that will suck it straight out the window (like I'm doing now).

Whew. Enough for now.
 

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Walter Broes said:
charliea said:
I smoked for about 50 years, starting young. Most of the time I smoked heavily. I quit 5 years ago. Let me assure you, tobacco is one of the most wonderful drugs known to man. Smokers ride a smooth, low level buzz all day. They think more clearly, metabolize food more efficiently, and have something to occupy them when things are slow. The ritual of raising a Zippo to your smoke is one of life's finer things. The primary down side is health effects, which vary widely between individuals. To dedicated smokers this isn't a particularly important factor. A whole lot of life's pleasures involve personal risk and, statistically, shorten life. Big deal. Everybody dies.

I quit because I developed an allergy to the things. Every time I'd light up, my sinuses would clog and breathing become difficult. Any day I didn't smoke my head and lungs were clear. I wouldn't go back to smoking now. I've come to consider the residual smell repugnant, and the social ramifications aren't worth dealing with. I don't blame anybody for smoking, though, and always tell visitors smoke 'em if you've got 'em.

It's about impossible to ignore the propaganda and nonsense put out by the media and government in this in-touch, virtual day. Cigarettes have been demonized, and that's reached the level of Sacred Cow. If a guy who quit smoking 20 years ago has a heart attack, it's smoking related. Second-hand smoke kills (though there's no more evidence of that than of silicon breast implants causing cancer). On and on it goes. I sure am happy I tuned-out long ago, and don't even have television.

Thanks for a rare point of view these days, and a very honest reply. I smoke, and I want to quit, but I'm slightly overweight already, and would hate to gain more weight.

I probably will quit in the foreseeable future because I'm starting to feel the health downsides of it, and because frankly, it's not fun to smoke any more. The only place, pretty much, I can light up any more, is inside my own home, or outside, in the street.
Not in a bar, where ironically, quite a few people drink theirselves to death.

Chantix was rushed to market because it's so effective at helping smokers quit. One of it's primary benefits is that you don't gain weight while using it. I was on Chantix for 6 months and didn't gain a pound. Over the next year I gained 18, but by then I was over the worst and could be philosophical about it. I've lost almost all of the gain, now. If you can handle the goofy, technicolor dreams, the stuff really works.
 

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charliea said:
If you can handle the goofy, technicolor dreams, the stuff really works.

Oy, yeah...I've heard some real nightmare stories about Chantix - the psychotic dreams, suicidal thoughts, and even the milder run of the mill allergic reactions resulting in rashes and whatnot. At one point I took a mild-antidepressant that's in the same class of drugs as Chantix and had an awful allergic reaction, so that's a no-go for me. White knuckle it or nothing. :lol:
 
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