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Does anyone know why some guitars [i always thought only cheap guitars had them] have comensated saddles and others do not,does it have to do with the saddle being parallel with the pins versus offset? I have never seen a guild with a comensated piece. I recently saw a nice f series guitar in canada and it sounded pretty sweet, but it had a compensated saddle, i don't remember if it was offset,i also know that i have always kept the b string, [second smallest] tuned slightly lower than it's supposed to be, it sounds better to my ear that way.Accurate info appreciated
 

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A compensated saddle is just one setp to achieving correct intonation.
You mentioned that you tune your B string slightly flat.
A compensated saddle does the same thing.
There are several components that all have to be adjusted to each other to get the best intonation.
The cheapest and easiest, is the saddle.

If you tune your guitar harmonically, you will find where the intonation is out.
Now by compensating the saddle either forward, toward the nut, or backword, you can slightly adjust the distance that the string is from the nut to the saddle.
By doing this, you change the pitch slightly sharp or flat.
This is more difficult to do on a 12 string but is even more important in my opinion.
Because the 2 Bass E strings are such a differern size from each other, when they are both in tune on open position, they will go out of tune when you fret the guitar and play, say a G chord.
The larger string will go sharp.
Compensating these 2 strings so that they are more ballanced, will help to make the guitar stay closer to being in tune as you play up the neck, or use a capo.

I also see many cheaper guitars that have compensated saddles from the factory.
These saddles are plastic and they are formed compensated.
Just because they are compensated, doesn't mean that they are correctly compensated though.

A Guitar Tech will make a compensated saddle that is adjusted for your guitar, as every guitar is slightly different form each other.

I have compensated bone saddles in most of my guitars.
One or two are close enough with the factory saddle, or a bone saddle that I have made so they don't have fully compensated saddles in them.
I do compensate the B string on the saddles that I make.
I don't have the tallant to make fully compensated saddles.
 

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Hi Wanta, welcome aboard! TaylorMartin made many good points but if you do a search you'll find a whole lot more on this in a recent thread.
 

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Check out the Buzz Feiten website for good info on compensation and intonation issues. He makes a compensated nut that helps guitars play in tune in more positions and keys. Very interesting suff in there.
 

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Thanks that amswers some of my concerns, why is it i have never seen a comp saddle on a guild acoustic.
 

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i want a d100 said:
Thanks that amswers some of my concerns, why is it i have never seen a comp saddle on a guild acoustic.

The Guilds that I have seen recently from New Hartford all have compensated saddles(J50R, D55, D50)...also my Gad25 has a compensated saddle...i don't know what the older Guilds came with but I think I can safely assume they would have compensated saddles as well. If I am wrong someone will let us know very soon. :wink:
 

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They're out there wanta. My F40 and CV-1 both have compensated saddles... I played an 09 NH F50 earlier this week and it also had one...
 

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It could just be me but it has always seemed that as time has gone on we all have gotten more finicky about our music-makin' tools. Even if you go back to early Gibson archtops you can find bridge/saddles that were set up for action height adjustment but the saddle itself was straight across the top as a compromise. Later you see the compensated wood saddles and then the "Tune o Matics" and so on. I suppose a certain amount of the demand for better intonation came about along with better recording and playback technology. Remember reading all that technobabble from Marantz, Harmon-Cardin and all the stereo turntable builders back in the 60s? Well its got +/- mghz true wow and flutter damping of the fratastat so you get the best sound ever.... You hear of folks with "perfect pitch" saying it really isn't a blessing because they hear the few cents of pitch variation we don't and it makes them nuts over this stuff.
 

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12stringer said:
i want a d100 said:
Thanks that amswers some of my concerns, why is it i have never seen a comp saddle on a guild acoustic.

The Guilds that I have seen recently from New Hartford all have compensated saddles(J50R, D55, D50)...also my Gad25 has a compensated saddle...i don't know what the older Guilds came with but I think I can safely assume they would have compensated saddles as well. If I am wrong someone will let us know very soon. :wink:
Actually, pre-Corona, I don't think they did except for the electrics,(none of mine did), and if I'm wrong someone will probably come along and correct ME very soon.... :lol:
 

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adorshki said:
12stringer said:
i want a d100 said:
Thanks that amswers some of my concerns, why is it i have never seen a comp saddle on a guild acoustic.

The Guilds that I have seen recently from New Hartford all have compensated saddles(J50R, D55, D50)...also my Gad25 has a compensated saddle...i don't know what the older Guilds came with but I think I can safely assume they would have compensated saddles as well. If I am wrong someone will let us know very soon. :wink:
Actually, pre-Corona, I don't think they did except for the electrics,(none of mine did), and if I'm wrong someone will probably come along and correct ME very soon.... :lol:

Thanks for the correction adorshki :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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