Blue book for Guilds on line.....

[onewilyfool]

Found this looking up some info on a JF65, scrool up and down and find your guitar:


http://books.google.com/books?id=mJMeu6 ... q=&f=false

 

[Tunes]

There's quite a bit of info available here - thanks wiley!! Note there are some pages missing from the free preview. I tried to find a D-55, and it's not there.

If anyone has the blue book, would be interested in what it says for the D-55.

 

[capnjuan]

Hi OWF and Tunes; I have the 9th / 2005 edition of the Blue Book of Acoustic Guitars. Without commenting on its estimates of guitar values, it's missing some details in the Guild section and some of the details that are there aren't accurate. For example, it reports that certain models were available in certain colors when they weren't and vice versa; some reported as not available in certain colors when they were.

Maybe some of the inattention to detail can be laid off to the number of brands, models, and year-to-year changes, I don't really know. I think the Blue Book is a very useful reference for understanding who made what model guitars and when they made them but, having played and lost a few hands of 'Hans and The Blue Book', it isn't fully reliable in relation to Guild detail. I don't know enough about other makes to know whether that criticism applies elsewhere too.

John

 

[sfIII]

Thanks for the post.. I looked up and down.. I just got to have an FS-48 Deceiver... :shock: :roll:

 

[hansmoust]

I just got to have an FS-48 Deceiver...

No you don't! It was a stupid design!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust

 

[fredpamm]

no D-212 in there only d-25-12

 

[walrus]

Hey Tunes - there's a D-55 on page 293 of the book...

walrus

 

[dogberry]

scrool up and down

Not sure that's legal in all 50 states. :lol:

 

[sfIII]

I just got to have an FS-48 Deceiver...

No you don't! It was a stupid design!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust

And perhaps the stupidest name for a guitar I've ever seen.

 

[Tunes]

Hey Tunes - there's a D-55 on page 293 of the book...

walrus

Yes - which is infortunately not part of the preview for the book - at least on the link that I used above. It says right there that pages 293 and 294 not part of preview.

 

[stclrob]

I just got to have an FS-48 Deceiver...

No you don't! It was a stupid design!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust

And perhaps the stupidest name for a guitar I've ever seen.

Maybe, but now I'm looking for a picture and can't find one....

 

[dreadnut]

Does it seem to anyone else that their prices are low, especially on the higher end ones like DV-72 & 74 ? (no -73 either)

 

[West R Lee]

I just got to have an FS-48 Deceiver...

No you don't! It was a stupid design!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust

OK Hans, I'll bite, what was wrong with the design if you don't mind my asking? I've heard of an F48 I think, but not that one.

West

 

[sfIII]

What could possibly go wrong with a pointy headed, solid body with an oval sound hole, an EMG humbucker and a piezo pickup. Hum..

Lets see, would this guitar sound good as an acoustic... no
would the piezo pickup sound good... Not in 1985
Is an EMG my favorite Humbucker... again YMMV but for me No.

Of course a pointy headstock on a guitar that looks acoustic from a distance might just win me over. Especially with the name Deceiver..

 

[Graham]

Can anyone post a pic of this thing? :shock:

 

[sfIII]

Can anyone post a pic of this thing? :shock:

Ya I need a new avatar

 

[fronobulax]

For example, it reports that certain models were available in certain colors when they weren't and vice versa; some reported as not available in certain colors when they were.

Is this a veer?

I have found that the source of some misinformation are researchers who takes catalogs at face value. Perhaps "A Cynical Approach to Guild Catalogs" would be a good wiki article, if and when? Hans has noted several cases where the catalog states something was available, but wasn't, and visa versa. He has also noted that dates are problematic because sometimes the catalog came out before production ramped up and sometimes it was the other way.

My personal favorite is the JS II walnut finish. The first catalog listing it as available was in 1974 and some sources claim that is the first year the finish was available. However my JS II is walnut, and noted by the dealer as such. It has a 1971 serial and was purchased new in early 1972. Clearly, according to the catalog, it doesn't exist :lol:

Oh yeah, on prices in guides in general. When I was actively involved in the American Civil War book market there was one price guide that was considered comprehensive and definitive. I watched it through five editions over at least that many years. Real world prices were all over the map compared to the first edition. By the time the fifth edition came out, every mom and pop used bookstore had one and used it to price their stock. As a buyer I spent way too much time educating people about book conditions and pointing out that the price guide was for VG+ copies and their precious old book (priced over the guide) was falling apart and should be priced lower than the guide. A lot of people didn't understand about multiple editions or reprints of a title, either. For me the availability of the price guide reduced both the number of bargains I found and the "fun" of the hunt.

 

[capnjuan]

Is this a veer?

My limited experience with 'price guides' is that they tend to be price-supportive ... intended to push up / buttress sellers' asking prices. I checked the value for my '66 F212 and the Blue Book's price is closer to a modestly bloated GBase/Dealer's price than what they generally go for in at-risk eBay auctions. Not saying eBay is the market, just sayin' ...

It's only a veer if we're throwing tennis balls off a speeding train. :wink: J

 

[hideglue]

Can anyone post a pic of this thing? :shock:

(briefly) Discussed earlier here

 

[Graham]

Can anyone post a pic of this thing? :shock:

(briefly) Discussed earlier here

Thanks Hide.