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The site is under heavy load - almost what I'd call an attack - from somewhere in Singapore. They seem to be massively hitting tthe site with "spiders" crawling through every page and attachment.

If the site goes down for short periods it's because I'm trying to solve that.

Further updates as events warrant.
 

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Thanks for all your efforts @GAD. I did experience a brief outage, but I think it was yesterday morning?
 

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I just had a brief outage about 30 minures ago...

Thanks, GAD!

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The site has been getting hammered for six hours. I got an alert four hours ago but was remote and there was just no way I could get to it.

Anyway, I get home and look at the logs and there's just a constant barrage of hits on the site, all from Singapore, and it's behaving like what I would call a "site-rip" where someone is trying to get a copy of every thread without having access to the database. Normally site-rips are easy to stop because they come from one or very few IPs, but after running some scripts on the logs I got this result:

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[LTG ~]$ wc 2023-Spider-Attack-Sorted.txt

 4004  4004 54358 2023-Spider-Attack-Sorted.txt

That output means that in the file of IP addresses that have been sorted and de-duped there are 4004 unique IP addresses. That is an immense number of sources spread out over an entire /16 (16 million IPs), and some searching shows that they're using a huge number of AWS (Amazon Web Services) cloud IPs.

It's probably nothing more than a crawl (which is done by a spider - hence the file name) which is done when a search engine wants to be able to use your site for search results, but it was consuming a huge amount of bandwidth:

Screen Shot 2023-08-31 at 8.05.49 PM.png

My server outputs an average of about 2.5Mbps with typical peaks and valleys, so when it's pushing out a significant multiple of that there's something wrong. I have currently blocked it all which is a very "sledgehammer" approach but it stopped the abuse for now. Any users in Singapore might suffer, but for now everything should be stable.
 

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The site has been getting hammered for six hours. I got an alert four hours ago but was remote and there was just no way I could get to it.

Anyway, I get home and look at the logs and there's just a constant barrage of hits on the site, all from Singapore, and it's behaving like what I would call a "site-rip" where someone is trying to get a copy of every thread without having access to the database. Normally site-rips are easy to stop because they come from one or very few IPs, but after running some scripts on the logs I got this result:

Code:
[LTG ~]$ wc 2023-Spider-Attack-Sorted.txt

 4004  4004 54358 2023-Spider-Attack-Sorted.txt

That output means that in the file of IP addresses that have been sorted and de-duped there are 4004 unique IP addresses. That is an immense number of sources spread out over an entire /16 (16 million IPs), and some searching shows that they're using a huge number of AWS (Amazon Web Services) cloud IPs.

It's probably nothing more than a crawl (which is done by a spider - hence the file name) which is done when a search engine wants to be able to use your site for search results, but it was consuming a huge amount of bandwidth:

Screen Shot 2023-08-31 at 8.05.49 PM.png

My server outputs an average of about 2.5Mbps with typical peaks and valleys, so when it's pushing out a significant multiple of that there's something wrong. I have currently blocked it all which is a very "sledgehammer" approach but it stopped the abuse for now. Any users in Singapore might suffer, but for now everything should be stable.
I actually understood some of that. Woot!

One question. Can Singapore users still access through a proxy in another country?
 

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Thank you for all you do to keep this site safe and running!

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Thanks GAD. There were some brief outages when I was on earlier...I definitely am not on full time...but it was around the same time I reported a likely spam post per your previous instructions...obviously the spammer was the least of your issues to handle today.o_O
 

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Thanks GAD. There were some brief outages when I was on earlier...I definitely am not on full time...but it was around the same time I reported a likely spam post per your previous instructions...obviously the spammer was the least of your issues to handle today.o_O

Thanks for that! I'm glad it's starting to visible to others! Now if I could just stop them that would be a big win.
 

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Screen Shot 2023-08-31 at 9.52.02 PM.png

Hmm. It would seem that they have been pulling a lot of data for some time and just kicked it up a notch to the point it triggered my alarms. The sharp drop-off on the right is me cutting off 16M IPs from Singapore/AWS.
 

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Damn, GAD. Keep up the good fight. Some of the banned users have come in from Singapore as well. Not sure if it's related.
 

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Why would they do this? What use do they have for info from LTG?

Maybe school an AI? Try to fish data? Who knows…

Maybe.

Hmmm,
Hafta wonder if maybe there’s a huge concentration of frustrated, jealous Taylor owners living in Singapore….

Maybe.

Damn, GAD. Keep up the good fight. Some of the banned users have come in from Singapore as well. Not sure if it's related.

Maybe. :)

I belong to a group called “datahoarders” which is comprised of people like me who hate it when entire sites go away and they are constantly talking about how to archive a forum. When I wanted to archive LTG I bought it to keep it running. :)

I really don’t think this is some random dude, though. There are really only a couple ways to control 4000+ public IP addresses and the fact that they’re all AWS IPs tells me that it’s someone who’s hacked AWS (doubtful but not impossible) or it’s someone with the resources to do so legitimately. It’s also possible that it’s a bot swarm using hacked devices but all of them being in one IP range makes me think not.

I tend to think it’s more likely an entity trying to build a Google-killer local search engine. The weblogs show crawler information and while that’s easy to fake I don’t think it was in this case.
 

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Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe. :)
I really don’t think this is some random dude,.
GAD; consider logging on to “LetsTalkForumAdministration.com”. Under the category “Security”, do a word search for “Arachnid”. If you find any postings by a Tom Holland, you might be on the right track; he seems to have some level of authority on the topic…,
 
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