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    Lightweight solidbody LPs aren't common but they exist. I played one, an early Goldtop with Les' less-than-optimal trapeze bridge/tailpiece, at Elderly ~20 years ago that measured 7.5lbs on the nose. Very shallow neck angle, played kinda spongy with the 9s or 10s that were on it. The '58 "plaintop" reissue (not really that plain, just not blingy) I bought last June at CME weighs 8lbs, 4oz. I think it was the lightest one in the shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum Strummer View Post
    Lightweight solidbody LPs aren't common but they exist. I played one, an early Goldtop with Les' less-than-optimal trapeze bridge/tailpiece, at Elderly ~20 years ago that measured 7.5lbs on the nose. Very shallow neck angle, played kinda spongy with the 9s or 10s that were on it. The '58 "plaintop" reissue (not really that plain, just not blingy) I bought last June at CME weighs 8lbs, 4oz. I think it was the lightest one in the shop.

    -Dave-
    I've got a late '50's Les Paul neck profile on my '58 ES-225T, and the Les Paul bridge/tailpiece combo. I love it! Really nice sustain.

    How do you like the '58 reissue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    I've got a late '50's Les Paul neck profile on my '58 ES-225T, and the Les Paul bridge/tailpiece combo. I love it! Really nice sustain.

    How do you like the '58 reissue?

    walrus
    The late '50s Gibson necks are very comfortable IMO. The '58 reissue is very nice! Feels & plays really good, sounds terrific. The pickups are dynamic with plenty of clarity and treble bite. I bought the guitar intending to put my set of ThroBaks in it, but there's no need. I use the neck pickup mostly, or both together with the bridge volume backed off a little. The bridge p'up by itself is mostly for cutting through dirt pedals, but the guitar sounds so good clean I don't make much noise with it. :)

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    1971 S-100 "Black Cherry"
    1973 S-100 "Nature Boy"
    1990 Nightbird Custom
    1999 X-170T
    2013 NS M-75 Aristocrat
    2016 NS S-200 T-bird

    c. 1971 Foxey Lady

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    Quote Originally Posted by matsickma View Post
    I should add that the Guild M75 and M65 used the techniques they had at the time which was building archtop jazz guitars. They didn't have solid body instruments and likely didn't want to make solid body guitars. However they did wan to off a Mini sized guitar to compete with Gibson.
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    Member Drumbob who worked at Guild, recently confirmed Al Dronge was dead-set against solid-bodies, thought they were a fad, post #47 from here here:

    Quote Originally Posted by DrumBob View Post
    Easy answer: Mark Dronge. He was always aware of the rock market, going back to the early '60's. It was Mark who convinced his father to design and release a solidboy guitar in the first place. Al hated rock 'n roll and thought solidbody guitars were a flash in the pan. He was a jazz player and fan. That's why Guild made archtops in the beginning exclusively.
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    My cousin's '58 LP Jr Jr - they only made 400 of these, I wonder how many are left? Regular '58 LP with a short scale neck for kids.



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    I have two killer Historic Les Pauls and they are both lighter than any Starfire IV I own. For me, a heavy LP isn't about the weight so much as the density. People don't complain about a 10-pound ES345, but give them a Les Paul of the same weight and it's a boat anchor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GAD View Post
    I have two killer Historic Les Pauls and they are both lighter than any Starfire IV I own. For me, a heavy LP isn't about the weight so much as the density. People don't complain about a 10-pound ES345, but give them a Les Paul of the same weight and it's a boat anchor.
    Good point about the density. I've picked up some Norlin LPs before and just thought, "How?" Like it didn't seem possible for a largely wooden object of that size to weigh so much, like it's gotta be lead-filled or something. I recently picked up a really cool old MIJ LP that's in the high 9s and that's about as heavy as I like to mess with. Some of those Norlins have got to be well over 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAD View Post
    I have two killer Historic Les Pauls and they are both lighter than any Starfire IV I own. For me, a heavy LP isn't about the weight so much as the density. People don't complain about a 10-pound ES345, but give them a Les Paul of the same weight and it's a boat anchor.
    Yeah I owned a LP Trad Pro II and a BB King Sig Model. And To me the King seemed heavier. TheLP had Lindy Fralin's in it and it screamed, but I grew tired of my wife telling me its to loud, so nothing but acoustic these days.

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    IMO electric guitars overall got too heavy in the '70s and then stayed that way for awhile. Some of this was down to making 'em more durable, some to the increase in cost of getting top quality old-growth woods, some to more general cost cutting, some to the sustain craze of the time (along with some faulty notions of how sustain works) and some to the decline of quality control standards. No guitar with as much air in it as an ES-345 should weigh 10lbs! That's a warning sign that you're overbuilding.

    My LP Professional weighs 9.75lbs. That much mass gives it a different sound for sure: the body doesn't seem to contribute much to it. I get the sense I'm hearing mainly neck, strings and pickups. The LP reissue OTOH: the whole guitar is contributing.

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    1970 M-75 Bluesbird
    1971 S-100 "Black Cherry"
    1973 S-100 "Nature Boy"
    1990 Nightbird Custom
    1999 X-170T
    2013 NS M-75 Aristocrat
    2016 NS S-200 T-bird

    c. 1971 Foxey Lady

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    Quote Originally Posted by JF-30 View Post
    Yeah I owned a LP Trad Pro II and a BB King Sig Model. And To me the King seemed heavier. TheLP had Lindy Fralin's in it and it screamed, but I grew tired of my wife telling me its to loud, so nothing but acoustic these days.

    That's a beautiful guitar!
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    1990s: [ S100 | X160 | X170 | X170T | SF3,5 | BB | NB | NB DX ]
    1990s: [ X2000 | X3000 | X4000s | DV72 | BHM1 | JF30-12 | Songbird ]
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