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    It's shock damage. I once heard tell that they always shipped LP's with the Rhythm/Treble switch knob off, because the same would happen to them. That was probably bakelite or similar though, before plastics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbesickles View Post
    GAD, I have 8 of those knobs. Two are stripped though and move freely on the shaft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guildedagain View Post
    It's shock damage. I once heard tell that they always shipped LP's with the Rhythm/Treble switch knob off, because the same would happen to them. That was probably bakelite or similar though, before plastics.
    From the usual source:
    "Bakelite was designated a National Historic Chemical Landmark on November 9, 1993, by the American Chemical Society in recognition of its significance as the world's first synthetic plastic.[4]"
    Ok to be fair plastic's a very generic term and truth to tell, my aging memory had Bakelite confused with Henry Ford's soybean based plastic.
    For sure Bakelite's pretty brittle stuff though, and I get what you mean, the way those knobs compressed and sheared without actually breaking (and are clear) probably indicate a polycarbonate plastic.
    On reflection wouldn't surprise me if vintage Gibson knobs were actually NC-based plastic (celluloid) like was used for bindings in the '50's and which breaks down over time becoming very fragile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    From the usual source:
    "Bakelite was designated a National Historic Chemical Landmark on November 9, 1993, by the American Chemical Society in recognition of its significance as the world's first synthetic plastic.[4]"
    Ok to be fair plastic's a very generic term and truth to tell, my aging memory had Bakelite confused with Henry Ford's soybean based plastic.
    For sure Bakelite's pretty brittle stuff though, and I get what you mean, the way those knobs compressed and sheared without actually breaking (and are clear) probably indicate a polycarbonate plastic.
    On reflection wouldn't surprise me if vintage Gibson knobs were actually NC-based plastic (celluloid) like was used for bindings in the '50's and which breaks down over time becoming very fragile.
    I think he means the old knobs were bakelite - not the ones on my guitar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbesickles View Post
    GAD, I have 8 of those knobs. Two are stripped though and move freely on the shaft. I don't think I will ever put them back on my Blues 90 or Bluesbird as they feel cheap compared to other options out there. Let me know if you are interested. I will have to go find them... I want to say one set is slightly yellowed and the other is clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAD View Post
    I think he means the old knobs were bakelite - not the ones on my guitar.
    Right.
    I was addressing this comment:
    "That was probably bakelite or similar though, before plastics "
    And probably should have bolded it to make that clear in my post.
    Suspect the modern stuff's polycarbonate plastic.
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    I must be one of the luckiest people on the planet because I had a Les Paul shipped in only the case with no packing material and it wasn’t in a box. Somehow, it made it unscathed.
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    It's shocking how some people ship guitars. Last week I got an S-100 from a seller in Quebec, advertised as "near mint" condition in a "brand new case." I knew going in based on the pictures that the guitar was more of a "very good" to "Excellent-minus" condition example, priced accordingly, so I overlooked the overstatement of condition. The "brand new case," however, arrived with a 10-centimeter hole bashed into the lip of the lid. This maybe... possibly... might have occurred because the seller shipped the guitar in the case alone, WITHOUT A FRICKIN' BOX or any protection or padding around the case, of any kind. He just taped up the case latches and put it in the post. Fortunately, the guitar made it in good shape, and it plays like a dream with a perfect setup.

    When I mentioned to the seller that the case arrived in somewhat less than the advertised "brand new" condition, he responded, "You could have taking [sic] a blade and done the damage yourself for all I know just yo [sic] get some money back."

    Needless to say, I was not impressed by this particular seller.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainpix View Post
    When I mentioned to the seller that the case arrived in somewhat less than the advertised "brand new" condition, he responded, "You could have taking [sic] a blade and done the damage yourself for all I know just yo [sic] get some money back."

    Needless to say, I was not impressed by this particular seller.

    That begs the reply that "If you wanted to prevent the possibility of having to deal with false claims you'd have put it inside a box like most people do".
    But yeah probably not much point to it unless it was purchased on a site that allows buyer feedback.
    And gotta admit it's a gray area because if the question of proper packaging wasn't asked then one can't lay all the blame on seller for not telling you how he was going to pack it...(sorry, I know hindsight's always 20/20).
    At least it looks like you could probably glue it back down almost invisibly, with the right stuff.
    I'm thinking along the lines of rubber cement for the "flap" itself and then something like this

    or this

    to seal the edges of the tear together.
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    Thanks! Very helpful, indeed!

    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    That begs the reply that "If you wanted to prevent the possibility of having to deal with false claims you'd have put it inside a box like most people do".
    But yeah probably not much point to it unless it was purchased on a site that allows buyer feedback.
    And gotta admit it's a gray area because if the question of proper packaging wasn't asked then one can't lay all the blame on seller for not telling you how he was going to pack it...(sorry, I know hindsight's always 20/20).
    At least it looks like you could probably glue it back down almost invisibly, with the right stuff.
    I'm thinking along the lines of rubber cement for the "flap" itself and then something like this

    or this

    to seal the edges of the tear together.
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