What to Do With My X175 (With Pics!)

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Hi All,

All this talk about nice archtops lately leads me to a bit of a conundrum with my X175. I bought this guitar at the now defunct Silver-Horland music store on West 48th Street in NYC in the early '80s. I was playing in a wedding band at the time (back when you could get away with playing jazz) and the acoustic-electric Ovation that I had at the time just wasn't getting the job done. I sold that to a good friend who still has it, and went off in the search of an real jazz guitar. I found it and a Gibson ES175 of a slightly newer vintage at the time at this same shop, and liked the Guild a lot more. It also didn't hurt that it was about half the price, too.

It's been a great guitar all these years, and the only really issue I've had with it is the dreaded shrinking binding thing, which is pretty common according to my luthier.

Here's a face shot of the way it is today. It still shows pretty well, as long as you don't look too close.

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Here's a closer shot of the body. There's some finish checking, but it's still in pretty good shape for a 51 year old.

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And a shot of the back, again showing some finish checking, but overall pretty good shape.

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Now onto the shrinking binding. It's probably worst here on the cutaway.

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There's more spots on the waist and the lower bout.

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I'd like to address this binding thing, but I'm pretty sure you can't replace it without refinishing the guitar at the same time, which I'm not at all sure I want to do. My luthier thinks that this will be an ongoing problem, and one the guitar has obviously had during its life. It did make me feel better when he said that Gretschs are even worse in this respect. :) I also don't know the effect refinishing would have on the value of the guitar, or even if it's worth enough at this point for it to be worthwhile.

Next issue is the machine heads. In a fit of stupidity, I replaced the originals (which admittedly didn't work very well) with some Schallers when I bought it. The Schallers, do work better, but the guitar loses some of its patina in the process I suppose.

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Is it even possible to get an original set, or are there suitable replacements? At this point is it even worth doing?

What sayeth the archtop gurus on this forum? Thanks in advance!
 

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I have a mid-50s X-175 as well, and I would never get it refinished under ANY circumstances. The finish on yours is just stunningly beautiful. It's the perfect Guild sunburst that's aged nicely... the checking only enhances it in my eyes. Refinishing would probably devalue it by 1/2 or more.

Much of the binding has been replaced on mine, and it didn't need to be refinished to accomplish that. It was done before I owned it however, so I'm not sure who did it or what it cost the previous owner. So it can be done, you just need to find the right luthier, and be prepared to pay... my understanding is that it's a time-consuming job and not the most popular either. Good luck!

As for the tuners, it looks (from the old footprint) that yours may have had Kluson tuners... TonePros makes aged replicas that should look nice and cover the old footprint (though the extra screw hold from the Schallers would still be visible).

http://kluson.com/PRODUCTS.htm
http://toneproskluson.com/models.html

Keep us posted on what direction you take! It's a wonderful guitar you have there!
 

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valcotone said:
I have a mid-50s X-175 as well, and I would never get it refinished under ANY circumstances. The finish on yours is just stunningly beautiful. It's the perfect Guild sunburst that's aged nicely... the checking only enhances it in my eyes. Refinishing would probably devalue it by 1/2 or more.

That's pretty much what I thought, and as they say in the car business, it can only be original once. I 'd also be afraid that I could never properly reproduce the look this guitar's always had.

valcotone said:
Much of the binding has been replaced on mine, and it didn't need to be refinished to accomplish that. It was done before I owned it however, so I'm not sure who did it or what it cost the previous owner. So it can be done, you just need to find the right luthier, and be prepared to pay... my understanding is that it's a time-consuming job and not the most popular either. Good luck!

I'm well aware of that. The first time I had the binding repaired by a luthier who also happened to be one of my high school math teachers, he bitched about it every time I talked to him for at least six months after the repair. I think I'll ring him up! :lol: Lucky yours was done prior to you buying it, and you haven't had any more incidents since. From what I understand, it can be a chronic thing.

valcotone said:
As for the tuners, it looks (from the old footprint) that yours may have had Kluson tuners... TonePros makes aged replicas that should look nice and cover the old footprint (though the extra screw hold from the Schallers would still be visible).

http://kluson.com/PRODUCTS.htm
http://toneproskluson.com/models.html

I started looking at old pictures of X175s (some of them here!) and these seem to be period-correct, and at 33mm in length the proper size as well. Do they look suitable?

valcotone said:
Keep us posted on what direction you take! It's a wonderful guitar you have there!

Thanks. I think I'll do something with the machines soon, as the Schallers just don't look right on the guitar. The binding we'll take in baby steps...
 

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Thats a beauty of a guitar there..........and yea, I agree with walter and Valcotone....keep her as original as you can...even with her 'flaws' she looks GREAT! REALLY GREAT!! Getting the period tuners , an replacing the schallers is a good idea. Nice photos too!
 

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southernGuild said:
Thats a beauty of a guitar there..........and yea, I agree with walter and Valcotone....keep her as original as you can...even with her 'flaws' she looks GREAT! REALLY GREAT!! Getting the period tuners , an replacing the schallers is a good idea. Nice photos too!

I think I'm going to order those replacement tuners from allparts.com. They seem to be period-correct, from the pictures that I can see of X175s of similar vintage. It's been so long since I took the originals off that I can't remember what they looked like, though I think they were the same as Valcotone's posted here. For $50, I don't have much to lose, and I think at their size they're a direct fit, too
 

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billydlight said:
She's a REAL beauty. Do nothing and keep playing. :D

Not faint praise coming from you!

Gawd I LOVE that '54 X440 on your website. Sweet...
 

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Sandy,
There is only one luthier in NY that I would trust with a re-binding job like that. Cris Mirabella. He works out of a shop in Babylon. Google his name, check out his site, top notch luthier. He does custom build archtops in addition to restoration and repair work. He is slow and pricey, which I think is mandatory for luthiers of that caliber. Not the type of guy to bother with set-ups, but for your job, probably worth the call.

http://www.mirabellaguitars.com/

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BluesDan said:
Sandy,
There is only one luthier in NY that I would trust with a re-binding job like that. Cris Mirabella. He works out of a shop in Babylon. Google his name, check out his site, top notch luthier. He does custom build archtops in addition to restoration and repair work. He is slow and pricey, which I think is mandatory for luthiers of that caliber. Not the type of guy to bother with set-ups, but for your job, probably worth the call.

http://www.mirabellaguitars.com/

Regards,
Dan

Thanks, Dan. I've seen this guy's site before, and he's near me, too. Has he done any work for you?
 

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twocorgis said:
BluesDan said:
Sandy,
There is only one luthier in NY that I would trust with a re-binding job like that. Cris Mirabella. He works out of a shop in Babylon. Google his name, check out his site, top notch luthier. He does custom build archtops in addition to restoration and repair work. He is slow and pricey, which I think is mandatory for luthiers of that caliber. Not the type of guy to bother with set-ups, but for your job, probably worth the call.

http://www.mirabellaguitars.com/

Regards,
Dan

Thanks, Dan. I've seen this guy's site before, and he's near me, too. Has he done any work for you?

A few months back he did some neck work on my Gibson L-6s. The neck was twisted and needed a re-fret. He steamed the neck straight (maple neck / board) and did possibly the cleanest refret I have ever seen, looks original. Overall very happy with the work. He will remember the guitar for sure....wine red '75 Gibby L6s.

Oh and btw....I said Babylon in original post, I think he still has a shop there, but I dropped off and picked up my git at his shop in Copiague.

Dan
 

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BluesDan said:
[A few months back he did some neck work on my Gibson L-6s. The neck was twisted and needed a re-fret. He steamed the neck straight (maple neck / board) and did possibly the cleanest refret I have ever seen, looks original. Overall very happy with the work. He will remember the guitar for sure....wine red '75 Gibby L6s.

Oh and btw....I said Babylon in original post, I think he still has a shop there, but I dropped off and picked up my git at his shop in Copiague.

Dan

No worries there, Dan, Copiague's easy too. The question then becomes when it becomes time do do such a thing :?: Maybe he'll give a free evaluation.
 
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