What a bunch of hucky-pucky!

[walrus]

VR is just a name. A branding, if anything.

Exactly!

walrus

 

[Midnight Toker]

Go ask Alice when she' ten feet tall....Don't know much about VR,never tried it.
People seem to have fun with it, ok, fine, entertainment .
I have other fish to fry, but , given the opportunity, I might enjoy it, you know, climbing the Himalayas and driving sports cars...
Nobody mentioned virtual sex,but I guess it's included in the package... .In my experience( The old-school Hendrixy-Exp, if you know what I mean!), stepping out of reality too much exposes to serious backlash....Then again, nobody knows for sure-as science shows-what reality is....vibrations of atoms that get shaped via your own particular brain-cells...Or maybe it's only a dream of some Elephant-headed ancient god, who knows?
Reading, dreaming, inventing, any art form, are VR...That's how it works, since ages, we've got to say:"what if?....."That's VR....(but, mind you: inexpensive, DIY, and unplugged!) My concern is that while we are goofing around with new plastic electrical devices, the guys who sell them take care of business to their advantage...
Remember Huxley's Brave New World ?The genetically-pre-defined Waspy A's leading, the average B's working, and the-(darker-skinned!)- C's and D's cleaning the mess,nobody complaining or thinking "there must be some kinda way out of here" ,thanks to the mandatory use of Soma ? The only electronic game I ever played was fun , but it consumed my time and I felt I was passively subjected to somebody else's imagination, I had no leeway ....Oh, I could rant like this for hours and get nowhere!!!Sorry , my Virtual Fellows at LTG, I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time, I'll give it right back one of these days!!!Didn't somebody write "have fun , that's all that counts.."?

I mentioned earlier that just about everything in digital media, from file sharing, to streaming, to VOD, to VR, that the adult entertainment business has been at the forefront of just about every aspect of it for the last 20-30 yrs!! For 50 years, it used to be DOD, NASA, CIA that had all the video Tech a decade before the public ever saw it. (They didn't call Bolling AFB "Hollywood on the Potomac" for nothing. ) Not anymore.

 

[chazmo]

MT, folks,, let's not veer towards any discussion of adult entertainment, please. Thanks in advance.

 

[richardp69]

Reality of any kind is a myth.

 

[MacGuild]

Reality of any kind is a myth.

Reality is a set of misperceptions agreed upon.

 

[fronobulax]

Reality is a set of misperceptions agreed upon.

There is a definition of "myth" that I first heard in academic circles. A myth is a popular belief that has grown up around something and is held strongly enough that people act upon it. What makes this definition interesting is that the focus is on the actions and not the veracity.

 

[Opsimath]

Don McLean:

"What do you know?
You know just what you perceive.
What can you show?
Nothing of what you believe...."

I perceive that I enjoy Guild guitars.

I believe that I would like a few more.

That's real enough for me.

 

[Nuuska]

I feel like a spinning top or a dreidel
The spinning don't stop when you leave the cradle
You just slow down
Round and around the world you go
Spinning through the lives of the people you know
We all slow down

How you gonna keep on turnin' from day to day?
How you gonna keep from turnin' your life away?
No days you can borrow, no time you can buy
No trust in tomorrow, it's a lie

I feel like a spinning top or a dreidel
The spinning don't stop when you leave the cradle
You just slow down
Round and around the world you go
Spinning through the lives of the people you know
We all slow down

How you gonna keep on turnin' from day to day?
How you gonna keep from turnin' your life away?

And I feel like I'm dippin' and divin'
My sky shoes are spiked with lead heels
I'm lost in this star car I'm drivin'
But my air sole keeps pushin' big wheels



My world is a constant confusion
My mind is prepared to attack
My past, a persuasive illusion
I'm watchin' the future it's black

What do you know? You know just what you perceive
What can you show? Nothing of what you believe
And as you grow, each thread of life that you leave
Will spin around your deeds and dictate your needs
As you sell your soul and you sow your seeds
And you wound yourself and your loved one bleeds
And your habits grow, and your conscience feeds
On all that you thought you should be
I never thought this could happen to me

I feel like a spinning top or a dreidel
The spinnin' don't stop when you leave the cradle
You just slow down
Round and around this world you go
Spinnin' through the lives of the people you know
We all slow down

How you gonna keep on turning from day to day?
How you gonna keep from turning your life away?

I feel like a spinning top or a dreidel
The spinning don't stop when you leave the cradle
You just slow down


Don Mclean

 

[dreadnut]

I've got a concept for you: Actual reality.

 

[gjmalcyon]

I've got a concept for you: Actual reality.

Well then, there's the problem: There may an "actual" reality but you and I may perceive it differently.

 

[Midnight Toker]

Reality of any kind is a myth.

And most myths (and even fairytales) are based on reality. During the pre literate age, any person that stood out enough during their lifetime to still be talked about generations later, was susceptible of eventually winding up being 20 ft tall and stronger than 100 men. I remember having a sociology professor having the class play the "telephone game". Where one student went outside the class, was handed a one paragraph article to read, then another student went out and was verbally told the gist of that article by the first person. Then another, and so on, until the last in line had to stand before the class and tell what the article was about. The results were hilarious. That was just in 15 min time. Imagine what 200 years will get you! That's basically how we got Paul Bunyan, John Henry, and countless other myths. Even many Grimm Bros fairy tales are based on reality. Dwarves actually were used for mining silver and copper in the Harz Mountains in Germany during the Middle Ages.

 

[MacGuild]

There is a definition of "myth" that I first heard in academic circles. A myth is a popular belief that has grown up around something and is held strongly enough that people act upon it. What makes this definition interesting is that the focus is on the actions and not the veracity.

Interesting, eh. As a species, we have conjured up some fascinating constructs over our timeline.
All our myths came to be to maintain social order in some fashion. Myths are solutions in that sense. Problem-solving. Societies need a moral authority greater than themselves. From prehistoric fertility gods all the way to "It is the will of Landru". Eons from now we'll forge new gods as the social balance requires. One flavor all of our myths seem to have in common is a bewildered amazement at the fact that we exist in the first place.

Virtual Reality is fascinating. It looks like crap now, of course. It is in its infancy and we don't exactly know what it will look like as an adult. We do know that it will be far higher resolution than imaging we have yet seen, it will be multi-dimensional, interactive, full-sensory. What VR promises is staggering. Imagine being able to perform life-saving surgeries from half-way around the planet using the combined powers of quantum computing, Artificial Intelligence and VR. The potential medical applications of VR are truly astounding. Architecture, engineering... Virtual Reality is going to turn that up to eleven and break the knob off.

And I can hear what Dreadnut said at the beginning of this thread, "virtual reality is not reality", being repeated billions of times, echoed mantra-like, by future parents to their future children because they spend too much time on it. Or "in" it.

No, Virtual Reality isn't reality, per se. It is artificial. It is foremost a tool. Like any tool it physically exists in reality and can enhance our lives. If a person can some day enter into an Advanced VR environment in the comfort of their home, or some VR parlor, and get to jam onstage with Santana at Woodstock like they were really there, or get to play in the 1972 World Series like they really were one of the Oakland A's, or get to see and feel the wondrous expanse of Earth from the summit of Everest, no it isn't real. But it will be brilliant.

 

[Midnight Toker]

Well then, there's the problem: There may an "actual" reality but you and I may perceive it differently.

Yep. One good example was the Beatles: Anthology book. It was a book of actual quotes taken from all 4 members from throughout their lives, then cut and paste into a chronological format based on the event dates of the subject at hand, not when the interview was given. So you wind up with accounts of a singular even recounted by 4 people over a 40+ year span. The 3 surviving members (at the time) ALL gave their review of the book, basically saying it should be re titled, The Beatles: Mythology.

 

[dreadnut]

So I learned this term from our purchasing manager at the manufacturing company where I worked. He would say "That's a bunch of hucky-pucky!"

So this gal in administration at a large church we attended was giving me the runaround about a simple request I made..."You'll have to call the church between 2 and 230 on the second Tuesday of next week, yada, yada..."

I said "That sounds like a bunch of bureaucratic hucky-pucky to me."

Here's my question: Did I cross the line with "hucky-pucky?" I tend to be kinda cynical.

 

[jedzep]

Frankly, I wish we could just go ahead and curse like regular vulgar honest adults here, so we could avoid these types of phrases altogether. In my circle of friends, we go right to the grit and never go to church. It helps prepare our kids for the real world.

I think the so-called 'gal' was just giving you accurate info about calling back.

 

[Nuuska]

I would pay - relatively - big money to have VR walk in my childhood-teenage hometown. It is stil there - but them so called developers have more or less destroyed it. There is a FB group where old pictures and memories are shared. And those pics bring back so many nice memories - sometimes they might remind us of something that we'd rather hush. But to think of chance to put some VR-glasses on and travel to your youth - how many would say "No thanks!"

And while it seems doable in future - think of the chance to call all your then friends and have a reunion at your then favourite place. You would show up as 3-d avatars of your youth to meet all your friends from way back.

Beats cruising Bahamas - in my book.

 

[dreadnut]

Well, I didn't want to use my nautical language in church.

 

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[Guildedagain]

Larboard your helm cried the captain ;]

 

[chazmo]

Hey, now there's a nautical term I never heard before. As if "port" weren't unique enough. Speaking of that, I always wondered about the etymology of "port"... Why would "port" be left and starboard be right? Makes no sense to me. Of course, I'm an ex-flyboy, not a squiddie.