What’s with the lack of serial number info past 1997 or so?

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I made a futile attempt to help a LTG’er date what I supposed was a Westerly build made some time past 98’-99’. I noticed the serial number data table I typically used to date my many Guilds doesn’t have much info to offer 1997 onwards if one wanted an exact year or manufacture. Was the transition to Corona so messy that the records around that time weren’t well kept? Was it absolute chaos towards the end of the Westerly years?
 

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I made a futile attempt to help a LTG’er date what I supposed was a Westerly build made some time past 98’-99’. I noticed the serial number data table I typically used to date my many Guilds doesn’t have much info to offer 1997 onwards if one wanted an exact year or manufacture. Was the transition to Corona so messy that the records around that time weren’t well kept? Was it absolute chaos towards the end of the Westerly years?

Basically the records were never published or existing listings updated.

Hans knows but he has a financial stake in how much he gives away now and no one else seems to have the data or the time to publish what they know.
 

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Hans knows but he has a financial stake in how much he gives away now and no one else seems to have the data or the time to publish what they know.
Hence we are all waiting for his Volume II ! In the meantime the only help is that LTG members who care write down any serial number Hans dated in the last 20 years, so creating own serial number lists from 1977 till 2005 helps helping others in the meantime until Hans publishes the records. I have done that for some but definitely not all...

Ralf
 

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Hence we are all waiting for his Volume II ! In the meantime the only help is that LTG members who care write down any serial number Hans dated in the last 20 years, so creating own serial number lists from 1977 till 2005 helps helping others in the meantime until Hans publishes the records. I have done that for some but definitely not all...

Ralf
I wonder how off the official Guild data is? Of course if it hurts the sales of Guild Book Vol II then I’ll just have to buy the book when it drops.
 

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Hans book has the correct info until 1977. The Guild list is fine until about end of 1979 when the problems start. Many issues from there until 1997 when the list stops.

Ralf
I suppose that’s why he collects the serial numbers and info? For whatever reason none of my Guild’s made before the 90’s had a date stamp. Maybe I’m not looking in the right spot or it faded seeing the D-35 stamp on my 74’ is faded nearly to the point where a flashlight is needed.
 

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I suppose that’s why he collects the serial numbers and info? For whatever reason none of my Guild’s made before the 90’s had a date stamp. Maybe I’m not looking in the right spot or it faded seeing the D-35 stamp on my 74’ is faded nearly to the point where a flashlight is needed.
I recall reports of date stamps on top braces, near the soundhole, so check there. ;)
 

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A cynic or conspiracy theorist would note a correlation between FMIC acquiring Guild and the published data becoming wonkier. They might also note FMIC's confusion about how the Guild "Anniversary" would be dated.
:) (Not that I think you subscribe to that idea, but "for the game"):

And a myth-buster would bring up the fact that the "wonkiness" period really got rolling around '87 to my perception, with the introduction of the Gruhn model name changes. Just a viewing of the s/n lists themselves from '87 to '94 is revealing for the frequent model name changes.

Witness the overlapping in sequential years of the same build under different names especially in the transition from the F50 to JF65/ JF6512 family..and the corresponding spate of sightings of guitars from that period with discrepant labels, particularly the "GF" family, even though legit.

I suspect that not only was there internal miscommunication, but that the frequent changes of ownership and location didn't make record-keeping all that easy, either. That wonkiness period kinda seems to overlap the period from the Avnet sale to "who-was-it?" before the Gruhn consortium acquired the brand. I'm a little fuzzy there, might have the details wrong but the point's still valid.

So I think Fender did the best with what they had. Y'just gotta remember to take into account the limitations.
 

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A cynic or conspiracy theorist would note a correlation between FMIC acquiring Guild and the published data becoming wonkier. They might also note FMIC's confusion about how the Guild "Anniversary" would be dated.
Selective remembrance??? LMAO!! "We have $hit published and printed, we can't turn back now!! Let's just change the start date okay??" :p:eek:
 

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If & when the second edition becomes available - I will get one - serial number info or not. Volume 1 has been great reading, watching and learning.

So - Hans - please hurry up and publish it before we die because of high age 😂
 
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