The Thunderbird has landed.

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Finally after three weeks and a ransom of 153 euros I received today the B stock T bird I ordered.

I just unpacked it, oiled the fingerboard and polished a little the tarnished fret. Interesting guitar.

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Sorry for the bad pictures and the lousy kitchen table!

First impressions: I heard a lot of complains about the two anti-hum pickups and their mismatched DC resistance but at least on my Vox AC30 the output of the two pickups is even and I just had to raise their height to my liking . Also, the infamous Hagstrom vibrato unit besides having a limited movement is not too bad for the string, it´s slightly firmer than a Fender Strat unit but it works reasonably well for what it was originally designed.

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The sound is Gibsonian more than Fenderish, the "brightness" switch works relatively well but it feels more like certain positions of a Varitone than a coil split for instance. The neck pickup is biased toward the bass spectrum so I inclined a little like a Fender pickup, the bridge is very good but both units have a relatively low output.

The offset shape of the guitar is the most striking feature, but it balances very well with a strap. Playing seated it gives the impression that the guitar is very long, but this is not the case, actually it´s slightly shorter than my Strats. At 3.15 kg it is reasonable lightweight too.

Fit and finish are typically Korean, that means very good besides the nut that is massively oversized and whose action is way too high. I found the D´addario strings too hard for my taste and replaced them with a set of Hybrid slinky. Neck adjustment was good from the factory, the triburst finish is beautiful (perhaps a little too glossy, but the guitar is clearly not American) and the mahogany has a hint of figuring.

In conclusion, this is my first electric Guild, it´s a nice piece of 60s stravaganza that I will explore in this period of Coronavirus emergency in Europe.
 
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So that is a '60's T-Bird? What year? That is beautiful!

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So that is a '60's T-Bird? What year? That is beautiful!

It is a good looker!

The lower DC resistance bridge pickup isn't any quieter overall than the bridge p'up, but it does have a different frequency response curve. Tighter bass, crisper treble. This is due to it having fewer turns of slightly thicker wire. Two 5K pickups pair up really well as do two 7Ks. The NS mismatch, though, throws off anyone expecting less jangle and more lower mid & bass oomph from the bridge p'up. Doesn't bother me 'cuz I love jangle. 8^)

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So that is a '60's T-Bird? What year? That is beautiful!

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Ahaahah no!

It´s a 2017 MIK Thunderbird, but yes it´s a worthy reissue IMO.

This one in particular is an unsold B stock because of a finish flaw close to the nut.

I also noticed that in mode 1 the tone pot behaves like a volume one, that wasn´t disclosed but it should be an easy fix..unless you guys tell me it´s normal for this model.

Now I need this:

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It is a good looker!

The lower DC resistance bridge pickup isn't any quieter overall than the bridge p'up, but it does have a different frequency response curve. Tighter bass, crisper treble. This is due to it having fewer turns of slightly thicker wire. Two 5K pickups pair up really well as do two 7Ks. The NS mismatch, though, throws off anyone expecting less jangle and more lower mid & bass oomph from the bridge p'up. Doesn't bother me 'cuz I love jangle. 8^)

-Dave-

Yes I have read the long discussion and I was afraid I had to rewind the bridge pickup or to buy another neck pickup, but I was surprised to find out the former feels like it has a HIGHER output than the neck one. They clearly have a different tone, as written before the neck one is very bassy, the bridge one is definitely not single coil but sounds like a Gibson minibucker with more definition, I don´t know if what I say makes sense.

Also the white "treble" switch is relatively effective, unlike coil splits or out of phase switches the output doesn´t drop so it´s quite usable IMO. Regarding the playability, the guitar feels "stiffer" than my Les Paul and Yamaha SGs, almost like it is a Fender scale instrument, perhaps it´s the high action of the nut.

Right now I am playing some Led Zep and Sabbath songs, the guitar is quite good for that kind of music, I think I´m going to like it.
 
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I fell for this: "it´s a nice piece of 60s stravaganza". :culpability:

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I fell for this: "it´s a nice piece of 60s stravaganza". :culpability:

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And here I thought you would have picked up on "I heard a lot of complains about the two anti-hum pickups and their mismatched DC resistance"...
 

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I can't pick up on what I don't understand!

walrus

Ah, it was discussed about the Newark Street re-issues very early on.
They (the folks designing the re-issues) bought a pair of vintage 'buckers from the net and faithfully reproduced 'em, not realizing they were actually out of spec, with a too large difference in output as measured by resistance.
(Good one about "picking up", though! :applouse:)
 

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No, it's all you. I was just rephrasing the words you used!

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Hey...nice write-up. The Thunderbird and NS T-Bird us my favorite 60's guitar!
One subtle point...the "bright switch" is a capacitor high pass filter and not a coil tap.

Enjoy!

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Hey...nice write-up. The Thunderbird and NS T-Bird us my favorite 60's guitar!
One subtle point...the "bright switch" is a capacitor high pass filter and not a coil tap.

Enjoy!

M

This is what I said. With a coil tap you usually lose 70% of the output.

Ah, it was discussed about the Newark Street re-issues very early on.
They (the folks designing the re-issues) bought a pair of vintage 'buckers from the net and faithfully reproduced 'em, not realizing they were actually out of spec, with a too large difference in output as measured by resistance.
(Good one about "picking up", though!
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Again, in this guitar the bridge is slightly hotter than the neck one, despite of the nominal lower resistance.

Therefore perhaps they got it right.
 
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Ahh...my mistake.

Additionally I haven't had bridge / neck output pickup issues either.

To be honest I noticed pickup imbalance with the small humbuckers on vintage 60's Guild's quite a bit.
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Resistance scales inversely with wire thickness: thicker wire is more efficient than thinner wire at letting electrons flow. I don't know offhand what the numbers are for 41 vs. 42 gauge wire, but a 5K LB-1 (41 gauge) will produce more signal per cm of wire than a 7K LB-1 (42 gauge) will…assuming all else is equal, which it should be. So only knowing the DC resistance numbers doesn't tell you much.

Gibson's Charlie Christian pickup used 38 gauge wire, pretty thick, wound to ~2–4K. It's not a hot pickup but it's got both oomph and clarity. The design is so unusual compared to most modern pickups, though, that you can't directly compare it to anything else.

-Dave-
 
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After one month with the Thunderbird I must say I greatly enjoy this little cheap guitar: it appears it´s able to handle everything, from Queen to Led Zeppelin to Black Sabbath to 80s rock. The treble switch is even better than a out of phase one to get a Brian May sound in certain conditions.

The Hagstrom vibrato unit is not that great but I plan to add a roller bridge and a Tusq nut, that should solve the tuning issues.

So if you can get one at good price take it. I have more expensive guitars but this one is stealing a lot of playing time.

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