Tesla - How to handle when broken - only in Finland 😂

[lungimsam]

An olde friend created batteries at a facility in white oak, md for the military back decades ago. Said it was a very toxic and difficult process, and they dumped in the back yard. I wonder which is worse for the earth. Fossil fuel use/mining, or battery use/charging/materials mining, building/disposal, etc.
I am surprised the oil companies will not put the nix on electric vehicles.
I also find it hard to believe the electric power companies will allow the development of self charging cars since that takes $$$ outta their pockets.
Maybe solar is becoming where it’s at for them.

 

[Nuuska]

More info : -


Tesla olisi edellyttänyt ensin uuden, kymmeniätuhansia euroja maksavan akun ostamista. Vasta sen jälkeen autoa olisi alettu korjata.


KATAINEN ei kuitenkaan heti tehnyt päätöstä luopua autostaan. Sen sijaan hän korjautti ajoneuvon yksityisessä huoltoliikkeessä Kokkolan suunnalla.

Sen jälkeen auto toimi. Miksi sitä ei voinut edelleen käyttää?

”Käytännössä aina, kun autoon tulisi vika, olisi sama ongelma edessä. Tesla suostuu korjaamaan vain sellaisia autoja, joihin se on itse tehnyt huollot”, Katainen sanoo.



TESLA would have required first, that you buy new battery, that will cost multi 10 k€. Only after that they would have fix it.

KATAINEN did not immediately decide to give up his car. Instead he had it fixed at a privat shop in Kokkola district.

After that - the car was working. Why then was it unusable?

"In practice - whenever there was some small fault in the car, there would be the same problem. Tesla only servicer those cars on which they have done ALL previous work." says Katainen.



Not that fantastic - even if you are Tesla fanboy

 

[geoguy]

That's ridiculous. If I buy a Tesla and it needs a new window switch, I can't purchase the part & install it myself?

 

[fronobulax]

That's ridiculous. If I buy a Tesla and it needs a new window switch, I can't purchase the part & install it myself?

I can't speak to Tesla but it is a trend that has been around for a while. At one time no one could work on your mainframe or mini-computer system except the manufacturer even if the work had nothing to do with any electrical component. With the advent of smart cars there were certain systems that could only be worked on by the manufacturer. It's not resolved in the US. There are some places with consumer protections in place that give the owner access to parts and repair facilities of their choice. There are also places where "unskilled mechanics" working on safety related equipment is not allowed. For example licensing and training is required to work on an airplane or on an emergency vehicle such as a fire engine or ambulance. At some level it is a tradeoff between the consumer and public safety with a financial benefit for corporations when public safety is deemed more important.

 

[lungimsam]

Just reinforces not going electric til all the kinks are worked out.

 

[geoguy]

Voters in my state overwhelmingly passed a referendum last year, that is commonly referred to as the "right to repair". That means carmakers who wish to do business in this state would need to make information available so that ordinary automotive repair shops could service their customers' vehicles. Currently, some information is considered "proprietary" by the automakers, for the exclusive benefit of their dealers' repair facilities.

I believe it is currently tied up with some legal challenges from the automakers, but I suspect it will eventually become law.

 

[geoguy]

Update - the exploding Tesla story has now made its way to CNN . . .

Finnish car goes "boom"

 

[Nuuska]

Update - more info of what happened before KABOOM.

January 2013 the car is registered as new.

June 2013 it is in a collision in Illinois - according to insurance info.

After few days it is marked to be @ IAA-company Bloomington. Company specialises fixing and reselling cars after accidents.

At that time the car has also been serviced by Tesla.

After that new registration in Texas - and another collision in october.

After that - registration in Lithuania . . .


Also - about everything that was possible to remove from inside was taken out and sold to someone who plans to covert his Mercedes Geländewagen to electric. Deal was that he can take everything he wnts as long it does not show outside. Battery - motors - wire harnes - computers etc were removed.

 

[beecee]

An olde friend created batteries at a facility in white oak, md for the military back decades ago. Said it was a very toxic and difficult process, and they dumped in the back yard. I wonder which is worse for the earth. Fossil fuel use/mining, or battery use/charging/materials mining, building/disposal, etc.
I am surprised the oil companies will not put the nix on electric vehicles.

Different batteries altogether. EVs are using different flavors of "lithium". Much lighter and more usable capacity. I switched my 15 kwh off grid camp solar battery bank from over 1,000 lbs of FLAs, (typical car type battery) to 80 lbs of Chevy Volt batteries which give 4 kwh....but I can use 80% of that capacity safely vs. 20% of FLA...so now I have 3.2 vs 3 kwh.

Of course the mining and manufacturing of these is probably un eco freindly as well.

 

[Bernie]

Nice landscapes, but I didn't get the English subtitles... $20k battery is a genuine rip-off I believe. Those cars are just okay to go shopping if you live in a warm place...Would it be that hard to change the engine - the car itself looked in good shape - and turn it into usual gas motor ?

 

[Nuuska]

Over here the car tax system is really heavy. And if you convert anything - you have to prove all kind possible to inpossible documentatiosn - and it has to be officially verified - and at the end you are talking about equivalent of bringing a new car to market. I have no idea how much that paperwork would cost - but anything between 100k€ to Million€ is quite fair.


As of battery cars here in Finland in winter - my tiny SEAT eMii+ gets about 160km = 100miles on full charge on cold winter - and in summer at 16-20C 0 = 71-78F it is about double. So it serves me fine for about 95% or more for my year round needs.

A more expensive car with trailor hitch and big enough trunk for my dog would be perfect - but that would be about 2,5-4 times the money spent on this one. So I still have my 1998 MB ML 320 for those other needs.

 

[Bill Ashton]

"KATAINEN did not immediately decide to give up his car. Instead he had it fixed at a privat shop in Kokkola district."

Wife Sirkku was born and raised in Kannus, just down the road...we had friends whose sons built Euro-rally cars and did
auto-tuning ("blueprinting" here)...I wonder...???

 

[MLBob]

Try and get a permit in the US to mine the various raw materials required for lithium batteries.

In addition, the US might want to wake up to which countries are currently locking up the lions share of access to the raw materials needed to support such a changeover.

 

[Neal]

Didn't the elaborate operation to blow the thing up in a remote location, and the production of the video (including the helicopter) cost about as much as it would have to fix the car?

It did look cool exploding, though, I will admit!

 

[Bill Ashton]

Think about this...granted, not using fossil-fuel in the automobile will reduce a ton of gasses, but when you plug in to
charge overnight, where is that electricity coming from? The "electrons" are not free...someone is generating that power.
And how is that power generated? In a perfect world, by wind or solar, but "do you know where your electrons really were last night?"

To me, hybrid is a better solution, reduce the carbon-fuel use and make your own electricity (charging circuit in car). My money is
where my mouth is, had a 2012 Sonata Hybrid and now a 2017 Sonata Hybrid, trouble free and just over twice the fuel mileage of our SUV...and had the Santa Fe-Hybrid been available when we bought (necessity due to my hip replacement), thats what we would have.

 

[fronobulax]

Anybody remember the NOT Good Old Days on LTG when environmental issues, such as climate change, were so politicized that they could not be discussed? Let's not go back there, OK? I understand there is a Facebook Group for members of LTG who wish to discuss topics that make the Moderators nervous if you really need to discuss the environmental impact of battery materials, energy generation, etc.

 

[Nuuska]

Didn't the elaborate operation to blow the thing up in a remote location, and the production of the video (including the helicopter) cost about as much as it would have to fix the car?

It did look cool exploding, though, I will admit!

Certainly that production cost more than fixing that car - but there're questions - who pays for what and who gains for what?

To have the car fixed - Katainen would've have to pay over 20k€ just for battery replacement - and then start to have other problems fixed - by Tesla - in order to avoid future problems. All this money from his own pocket.

He sold the battery and powertrain to someone at some price. Most likely he got some money from the Pommijätkät ( = BombGuys ) to help their business. They took care of whatever was needed. About 10 people wre involved. Police was informed - landowner gave his "go for it" - and The BombGuys work for tv-productions, game-producing companies and even finnish army. So for them this must've provided enourmous publicity. Thus worth the money.

More from pommijätkät - with english subtitles.

 

[geoguy]

Concrete has great compressive strength, but not so much tensile strength without reinforcement. Hence it was easily shattered by the dynamite charge.

Those Bomb Guys are wacky!

 

[Neal]

I find it simply amazing that you can make a living blowing things up for the heck of it, while filming the whole process for other people who like to watch things getting blown up for the heck of it!

 

[Nuuska]

Neal

How about the so called "reality tv" ???