Temporary stop of new guitars until May 2026

hitmanobtrice

hitmanobtrice

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I just learned that there has been an internal restructuring of the Guild company, and this has stopped deliveries of the brand, at least until May 2026.
If any of you discovered that there has been some shortage of guitars for a little while now. (at least in europe)

If anyone know more, please elaborate.
 
davenumber2 said:
Not that I don’t believe you but what/who is your source for this info?
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Yeah, I just scouted around on the web (using google advanced search, which can narrow results to sites updated in the past week, past month, etc.) and I saw no such news. That doesn't mean a particular retailer may not have news of deliveries being interrupted, but one might expect some mention of a "restructuring" of the Oxnard facility would have made it onto the web somewhere.... (?)
 
Source would be appreciated. There is a Guild employee who sometimes posts here and if there were an official, public announcement, I would expect them to acknowledge it.

If the source is a retail dealer than that is helpful to know. Sometimes sales reps tell dealers things that turn out to be true. Other times by the time the information makes it to LTG (see Telephone Game :-) ) it is demonstrably untrue and we have fun speculating about what actually was said.

We have also dealt with stories that were presented as applying to Guild in general concerning distribution that turned out to be true but only for the distribution arm of Guild in Europe.
 
fronobulax said:
Source would be appreciated. There is a Guild employee who sometimes posts here and if there were an official, public announcement, I would expect them to acknowledge it.

If the source is a retail dealer than that is helpful to know. Sometimes sales reps tell dealers things that turn out to be true. Other times by the time the information makes it to LTG (see Telephone Game :-) ) it is demonstrably untrue and we have fun speculating about what actually was said.

We have also dealt with stories that were presented as applying to Guild in general concerning distribution that turned out to be true but only for the distribution arm of Guild in Europe.
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He has been awesome, but I would not expect an employee of any company to confirm/deny rumors on an Internet forum.
 
davenumber2 said:
Not that I don’t believe you but what/who is your source for this info?
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The source is a retailer that godt this info from their supplyer.

And i also noticed that stock has gone down. The retailer usually have arround 15 diffrent kinds of guild now they have 7.
 
hitmanobtrice said:
The source is a retailer that godt this info from their supplyer.

And i also noticed that stock has gone down. The retailer usually have arround 15 diffrent kinds of guild now they have 7.
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Where Are you? And from the stocking levels cited, I suspect this retailer is stocking the Made-in-China Guilds which are an issue unto themselves and really have nothing to do with USA production from Oxnard.

I'd be willing to bet that right now, no more than 3 forum members could cite a bricks-and-mortar dealer who has even 7 USA-built instruments in stock. (I'm excluding outfits like Sweetwater that keep 'em in a warehouse for internet order deliveries.)

It occurs to me that the current line of import models ("The Westerly Collection") is built by GREE in China, and perhaps Yamaha is re-assessing this relationship, given their own production capabilities.
 
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adorshki said:
Where Are you? And from the stocking levels cited, I suspect this retailer is stocking the Made-in-China Guilds which are an issue unto themselves and really have nothing to do with USA production from Oxnard.

I'd be willing to bet that right now not no more than 3 forum members could cite a bricks-and-mortar dealer who has even 7 USA-built instruments in stock. (I'm excluding outfits like Sweetwater that keep 'em in a warehouse for internet order deliveries.)

It occurs to me that the current line of import models ("The Westerly Collection") is built by GREE in China, and perhaps Yamaha is re-assessing this relationship, given their own production capabilities.
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Also, they just rolled out the new F-412 (nomenclature be damned) and not long ago the M50. Would it make sense to shut down and not produce them for who knows how long? Not the best way to get a new model off the ground.
 
davenumber2 said:
Also, they just rolled out the new F-412 (nomenclature be damned) and not long ago the M50. Would it make sense to shut down and not produce them for who knows how long? Not the best way to get a new model off the ground.
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Maybe they're only gonna build F-412's for 3 months to get everybody off their backs about never having any stock.
Then next year they'll drop it 'cause they couldn't sell 'em all.
Guitar owners. What're ya gonna do?
And for that matter, guitar companies.
What're ya gonna do?
 
fronobulax said:
There is a Guild employee who sometimes posts here and if there were an official, public announcement, I would expect them to acknowledge it.
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GAD said:
He has been awesome, but I would not expect an employee of any company to confirm/deny rumors on an Internet forum.
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Perhaps "official public announcement" is not the best phrase for information known to the general public and not just employees?

:-)
 
hitmanobtrice said:
The source is a retailer that godt this info from their supplyer.

And i also noticed that stock has gone down. The retailer usually have arround 15 diffrent kinds of guild now they have 7.
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OK.

Deliveries in the USA or deliveries elsewhere, since there have previously been at least two different distribution channels?

MIA Guilds, Westerly Collection or Newark Street? Different factories and hence different distribution.
 
GAD said:
In my defense, reading is hard. :)
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Well I also make unstated assumptions that cause confusion. In my case I did spend a lot of time. where "I can neither confirm nor deny" was the official policy and up to 10 years and/or up to $100,000 was the penalty. But if I could cite a public source for anything I said then prosecution was less likely/successful
 
From what i see it is both us made and china made guitars that is out of stock, thomann- germany is not a small retailer, they hold lost of diffrent us brands.

But iam not here to convince further, this is just what i wass told, and i only asked because i saw for several weeks that no new guilds where to be found in eu when i search for the d-20 and D-55 and D-40
 
hitmanobtrice said:
From what i see it is both us made and china made guitars that is out of stock, thomann- germany is not a small retailer, they hold lost of diffrent us brands.

But iam not here to convince further, this is just what i wass told, and i only asked because i saw for several weeks that no new guilds where to be found in eu when i search for the d-20 and D-55 and D-40
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I believe you when you say there's a delay in Europe. Between tariffs and the pandemic's aftermath, supply chains are a mess everywhere for every product.

So a delay until May doesn't mean much. It's no reason for surprise or alarm. Just annoyance!
 
Charlie Bernstein said:
I believe you when you say there's a delay in Europe. Between tariffs and the pandemic's aftermath, supply chains are a mess everywhere for every product.

So a delay until May doesn't mean much. It's no reason for surprise or alarm. Just annoyance!
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Lol i am very sorry i annoyrd you by telling what my retailer told me. What informayion do you contribute with, to this post? im just currious? You simply do t beleive what i am saying, but with no counter information? Why should my retsiler make up a lie when asked why no new guilds arrived in last 2-3 weeks. He specifically said the guild company are having a reconstruction.
 
Charlie Bernstein said:
I believe you when you say there's a delay in Europe. Between tariffs and the pandemic's aftermath, supply chains are a mess everywhere for every product.
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I would think that Europe would be a lot easier. The tariff situation between the EU and China is the same as it ever was, and it wouldn't make a lot of sense to have Pacific Rim products for Europe set foot in the US. Even if they did, it would be in a bonded warehouse, so duties wouldn't have to be paid on the 'pass-through' country.

Supply to the US would be a nightmare, when the cost of goods sold can change at least once while it's in transit.
 
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