I'd be interested to hear ideas on strings that might add some bass and subtract some jangle on my F512. (I know, I know....never satisfied). It's wearing Martin light Marquis right now, tuned to D and capoed 2 frets. I need to capo it to get the neck wide enough for comfort. Also, anyone have experience trying non-stock pins in one?
string choice for an F512
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D'Addario coated lights lasted a long time on mine, and it also had ebony end pins.
Hey, whatever happened to Miss Ebony End Pin, anyway?
Hey, whatever happened to Miss Ebony End Pin, anyway?
She is still in the wings, actually. I don't write quickly.
The plot lines and character names are still in my workfile and drafts in various stages are on my PC. I've even reviewed them with my writing coach. It might require retirement to get them completed, though. Time and lack of distractions are rare.
But villains such as Lex Luthier and Ebony Endpin's evil twin, Ivory Endpin, will be shown the ways of justice as Geezerman ventures forth from his secret lair - The Grotto of Guilds. They will all yet make their appearance in literary form.
The plot lines and character names are still in my workfile and drafts in various stages are on my PC. I've even reviewed them with my writing coach. It might require retirement to get them completed, though. Time and lack of distractions are rare.
But villains such as Lex Luthier and Ebony Endpin's evil twin, Ivory Endpin, will be shown the ways of justice as Geezerman ventures forth from his secret lair - The Grotto of Guilds. They will all yet make their appearance in literary form.
When?
Ah! The mighty Geezerman anticipates your questions!!
Now he needs to find a hammock and consider the answer.
Ah! The mighty Geezerman anticipates your questions!!
Now he needs to find a hammock and consider the answer.
Nigel Wickwire
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Guildmark,
Is that original artwork?? If so, you might consider reposting that over in the LTGer only section. It would be a shame if someone pilfered your art and intellectual property.
Original thinking is hard to come by.................
Good stuff, by the way.
~nw
Is that original artwork?? If so, you might consider reposting that over in the LTGer only section. It would be a shame if someone pilfered your art and intellectual property.
Original thinking is hard to come by.................
Good stuff, by the way.
~nw
Thanks, Nigel.
The artwork was done by another LTG member, though: kentuckblue (Brody). Very talented fellow! Not sure if he copyrighted the work. I hope he's paying attention and following along. The origin of this goes back about a year and a half; maybe longer. I'd have to dig back through the posts to find the starting point. Character names and plot lines were suggested by several members. I aggregated them and began the fictional narrative. LTG has been very patient waiting for me to get off my proverbial.
You know what? I'll need help re-posting! Never done that!
Sorry, Mikeoso! Blame Dreadnut for the veer!!
The artwork was done by another LTG member, though: kentuckblue (Brody). Very talented fellow! Not sure if he copyrighted the work. I hope he's paying attention and following along. The origin of this goes back about a year and a half; maybe longer. I'd have to dig back through the posts to find the starting point. Character names and plot lines were suggested by several members. I aggregated them and began the fictional narrative. LTG has been very patient waiting for me to get off my proverbial.
You know what? I'll need help re-posting! Never done that!
Sorry, Mikeoso! Blame Dreadnut for the veer!!
Nigel Wickwire
Member
Yup, apologies to Mikeoso for soiling his perfectly good thread
GuildMark, et al, nice job on the start of an interesting little side project; a talented bunch hereabouts.
~nw
GuildMark, et al, nice job on the start of an interesting little side project; a talented bunch hereabouts.
~nw
I own a 1970 F212 and it has that jangly sound you describe, and I found that the treble strings (the octave G and D) were slightly out of balance with the corresponding wound G and D, so much so that I decided to change the whole string layout completly.
Before I get into that, I might mention that on a couple of my other Guilds, I wanted to shape the sound of the bottom E string differently, and I tried different out-of-gauge strings to compensate. One, my F-30R had too much bass, if you can believe that, and I tried a lighter gauge string. No effect.
Same thing with my Corona built F-47RCE, only in the opposite direction. That one had very little bass on the E string. Tried a larger gauge. Same thing, no change. Each of the guitars still kept their original personality.
So . . . back to the 12 string. After much research and experimentation, I change my F212 12-string into a 10-string!
Now, it sounds great! More like a six string on a chorus. The first four strings are now in unison, and tuned just slightly out of tune from each other. That give the guitar a built in chorus sound. The remaining strings - A and E - are left as single strings; I removed the high octave strings from them.
I also had to make a new nut, but that was no problem. If you go this route, then I suggest going to a local guitar repairman or luthier, have him do the work for you.
In addition, you will have to buy a custom set, which can get expensive, but the sound you get is worth it!
Here are a couple of clips of me playing this wonderful instrument:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Sm0N--UOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_DRHhuG ... re=related
Hope this helps!
Metalman - I'm back!
Before I get into that, I might mention that on a couple of my other Guilds, I wanted to shape the sound of the bottom E string differently, and I tried different out-of-gauge strings to compensate. One, my F-30R had too much bass, if you can believe that, and I tried a lighter gauge string. No effect.
Same thing with my Corona built F-47RCE, only in the opposite direction. That one had very little bass on the E string. Tried a larger gauge. Same thing, no change. Each of the guitars still kept their original personality.
So . . . back to the 12 string. After much research and experimentation, I change my F212 12-string into a 10-string!
Now, it sounds great! More like a six string on a chorus. The first four strings are now in unison, and tuned just slightly out of tune from each other. That give the guitar a built in chorus sound. The remaining strings - A and E - are left as single strings; I removed the high octave strings from them.
I also had to make a new nut, but that was no problem. If you go this route, then I suggest going to a local guitar repairman or luthier, have him do the work for you.
In addition, you will have to buy a custom set, which can get expensive, but the sound you get is worth it!
Here are a couple of clips of me playing this wonderful instrument:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Sm0N--UOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_DRHhuG ... re=related
Hope this helps!
Metalman - I'm back!
Mike,
Are the Martin strings 80/20 or PB? If the former then definitely try a set of PB strings... D'Addario PBs give a nice sound; a bit warmer and maybe less jangly than the 80/20s.
I also liked the stock PB strings that came with my F512, but I don't know what brand they really were (Guild must OEM them)...
'Strang is the god of 12 strings string sets ... I'm pretty sure he has a thread up somewhere about gauges and maybe brands... Anyway, enjoy the hunt.
For an extreme take on mellowness, try Martin's Silk and Steel sometime. I haven't used them personally on my F512, but they worked really nicely on one of my dreads...
-- chaz
Are the Martin strings 80/20 or PB? If the former then definitely try a set of PB strings... D'Addario PBs give a nice sound; a bit warmer and maybe less jangly than the 80/20s.
I also liked the stock PB strings that came with my F512, but I don't know what brand they really were (Guild must OEM them)...
'Strang is the god of 12 strings string sets ... I'm pretty sure he has a thread up somewhere about gauges and maybe brands... Anyway, enjoy the hunt.
For an extreme take on mellowness, try Martin's Silk and Steel sometime. I haven't used them personally on my F512, but they worked really nicely on one of my dreads...
-- chaz
12 string
Senior Member
' Strang is here, but mostly drawing a blank here.
I'm no expert on brands. I use D'Addario PBs mostly, and some Elixirs. There are all kinds of strings on the market I haavn't even tried.
The only suggestion I can think of is to modify a "standard" 12 string set (.010-.047) by reducing the the treble guages a bit and increasing the bass guages winding up with something like .009-.048.
It kind of looks like I encouraged you to buy a guitar that you're not 100% thrilled with. If that's the case I'm really very sorry.
David
I'm no expert on brands. I use D'Addario PBs mostly, and some Elixirs. There are all kinds of strings on the market I haavn't even tried.
The only suggestion I can think of is to modify a "standard" 12 string set (.010-.047) by reducing the the treble guages a bit and increasing the bass guages winding up with something like .009-.048.
It kind of looks like I encouraged you to buy a guitar that you're not 100% thrilled with. If that's the case I'm really very sorry.
David
After looking at your assortment of 12-strings there, I'd say the Guild is up to some competition in the "non-jangly" department.
Martin 15 series tend to be very warm, due to their all mahogany bodies. Even their 12-strings, and ESPECIALLY the J-series!
The Guild is going to be a bit brighter, more jangly like you say. Are you trying to make your F512 sound like the others in the pack? It ain't gonna happen!
Someone said try Sllk and Steel. They have a very mellow sound. That is your best bet, without modifying your guitar like (ahem) someone said . . . .something about changing it to a 10-string . . . :?
Silk and steel. That is the way to go. Good luck.
Martin 15 series tend to be very warm, due to their all mahogany bodies. Even their 12-strings, and ESPECIALLY the J-series!
The Guild is going to be a bit brighter, more jangly like you say. Are you trying to make your F512 sound like the others in the pack? It ain't gonna happen!
Someone said try Sllk and Steel. They have a very mellow sound. That is your best bet, without modifying your guitar like (ahem) someone said . . . .something about changing it to a 10-string . . . :?
Silk and steel. That is the way to go. Good luck.
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Definately go with a few .010 sets of DMS BlueSteels. Sort of soulfull, warmish with bite.
Strang, nope, you didn't do it, I did. and I'm not regretting....I've only ever had one guitar that I found to be perfect, my J-40. everything else can always be improved. If I can get the Guild a little warmer, nice...if not, it's OK. I knew the choice I was making when I made it.