Recent Guild F512 vs. older versions with different designations (e.g., JF55-12)

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I'm curious to know if any of you have had the chance to make comparisons between the newer Guild F512 and any of the older versions that were called by different names. My JF55-12 is certainly heavier than the newer F512 I once tried. I think there was a tonal difference as well, but not sure how to describe it.
 

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I don't have direct experience with the F-512, but I can offer a similar comparison for the F-412. My Oxnard-made F-412 (aka F-512 Maple) sounds very close to my Corona-made F-412, but it is built lighter, has a slimmer neck (only 1 truss rod), and overall is more resonant and responsive. Nothing wrong with the older F-412, but the newer one was a step or two above in terms of sound and, especially, playability.
 

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I don't have direct experience with the F-512, but I can offer a similar comparison for the F-412. My Oxnard-made F-412 (aka F-512 Maple) sounds very close to my Corona-made F-412, but it is built lighter, has a slimmer neck (only 1 truss rod), and overall is more resonant and responsive. Nothing wrong with the older F-412, but the newer one was a step or two above in terms of sound and, especially, playability.
I'd say that's pretty accurate. Of my jumbos, I prefer the slimmer neck profile of my NH F512, and it's definitely better sounding than earlier F512s I've played, with the possible exception of @chazmo's excellent Tacoma build. Mine is definitely better than any of the Corona or earlier examples I've tried, but none of them were anywhere near bad, and still better than the competition.

The '91 JF65-12 I acquired recently from @GF60 is rapidly worming its way into my heart though. That archback maple projection is just phenomenal, and this one and a similar '96 that I owned for a while are the loudest acoustic guitars I've ever heard. I still prefer the slimmer neck profile of the single truss rod F512, but the fatter neck isn't that much more.If I pare down the collection, I might have to find a nice NH F412, and if it's suitable, sell these two.

The other observation is that I think the single truss rod necks are more stable. When I first bought my F512 (from a GC in Oklahoma City for a ridiculous price), the action was a little high when I got it. I took it to my luthier for a setup, and was a bit crestfallen when it lost a lot of saddle in the process, and came back to me like this.

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What's amazing is that the neck has not moved one iota since that setup, despite being mostly tuned to pitch and played frequently. And it has been over nine years now. Action is still a hair under 3/32" on the bass side.

Along with @wileypickett, I agree that jumbos are where you want to be with Guild 12 strings, as long as your shoulder allows it.
 

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Thanks for the replies. As I read them, they resonate with me. Not sure I want to or can afford to go newer.
 

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I actually don't think I've played all that many JF-55-12s, but I've played F-512s from many decades and I don't think I've been disappointed with any of them. Folks use lots of different string sets on these beasts, which might account for tonal differences. I've tried at least 5 different types of sets on my own F-512, and I can only say that I really dig the sound of phosphor-bronze on the F-512. It could be because I'm just a chime-lover, but that's what I like.

Thank you for the compliment, Sandy. I know that the action and the build of my Tacoma F-512 are really my gold standard. I've had the F-512 for 15 years now (!), and it still plays perfectly. I'm having a small love affair recently with my F-412, but you know... the grass is always greener... And, the F-512 doesn't get jealous. :D
 

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Thanks for the replies. As I read them, they resonate with me. Not sure I want to or can afford to go newer.
If you are looking for a good rosewood 12 sting Guild guitar, then the F-1512 is an excellent value. Yes, it is MIC, but being honest, it's nothing like the F-2512 which I find to be more problematic of build quality. If you must have maple, then get the 2512, but spend money on getting it pleked and professionally set-up. A little investment here can turn a lower quality guitar into something really special. That said, yes, I do consider the 2512 a lower end guitar and not one has had the attention needed on the setup end to make it something good. The 1512 is about twice the price and some of that money obviously went into the little details that set it up for success.
 
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