NGD - Mystery GF60R !

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This is the GF60R that I bought from Richard a couple weeks ago, and what gorgeous example it is! However, this one comes with a story. A bit of mystery that Hans shed some light on which I will get to shortly.

But first… The is a great guitar! Condition wise its excellent cosmetically and has THE NICEST golden Engleman? spruce top you could hope for. It is so incredibly tight grained and shimmery, almost iridescent, with no run-out. Whoever put it together did so flawlessly. You can barely make out the seam. Its magnificent.

This model is a perfect size (for me) with its 16 inch lower at only 4-1/2 deep and the 11-3/4 upper at a svelte 3-5/8 deep. In essense, about as deep as my F30s. Very comfortable. Ebony bridge and neck with those marvelous diamond inlays. So cool. I love the Gotoh tuners that are a copy of old Klusons. I polished them and the frets with some Gorgomyte and they look pretty spiffy.

It came with high action but enough saddle to get it down to slightly over 6/64 - so it is very playable, if a little shy of my ideal. The nut/neck is 1.703/1.696 with a string spacing of 1.435 which is narrow for me. This may be the single reason that would cause me to sell it at some point because I prefer wider nut widths. But for now I intend to play the heck out of it because it is so damn nice!

Sound wise it is terrific, with the tonal clarity of a good F30R but with extra bottom end and projection. It reacts well to a very light touch or a hard strum. Just perfect! This one can really do it all. Why on earth Guild ever stopped making this size (F4x series) guitar is beyond me and quite frankly just plain stupid.

Now for the mystery. It is an early 1987 model with s/n #GF60…11. At least that’s what the label says. Imagine my surprise to see the s/n on the headstock showing it as s/n #50. Even more confusing is that s/n is double stamped. Hold it in the light one way and you see it start with GF60…. but tilt it differently and you see it start with GF50…. But wait, there is more! The stamp on the inside neck black also says GF-50 yet this is very clearly a GF60!

So was it re-necked? Was there funny business with the label? Luckily our good Sherlock Hans shed light this mystery. Apparently it was not uncommon for similar models to share the same “husks”, which explains the GF-50 neck block. Seeing that, the theory is that the person stamping the headstock got confused and stamped it as a GF50... Discovering the “oops” later on, it was filled and re-stamped (albeit lightly) as a GF60... However, over time the original stamp came up towards the surface and became more prevalent.

Some people might freak out over this but apparently it did happen from time to time. According to Richard, he’s had at least three Guilds with mismatched numbers. I consider this a very cool little peek into how things were done at Guild, and how despite their imperfect process managed to make such perfect guitars as this.


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Just a stunning guitar and the wood - front, back, and sides are simply gorgeous. And thanks for sharing the story as I was/am ignorant to such detailed information.
Enjoy in good health.
 

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This is the GF60R that I bought from Richard a couple weeks ago, and what gorgeous example it is! Sound wise it is terrific, with the tonal clarity of a good F30R but with extra bottom end and projection. It reacts well to a very light touch or a hard strum. Just perfect! This one can really do it all. Why on earth Guild ever stopped making this size (F4x series) guitar is beyond me and quite frankly just plain stupid.
W-e-e-ll, you know how I feel, been sayin' it for about 3 years now, welcome to the club! :)

Have you seen my own tribute to that family? (Never miss a chance to promote one's own agenda :D) :

Sweet sweet piece. What you say about its voice confirms my "pipe dream" is "correct" in being based on an F47R, the last iteration of that shape and tonewood.

But I'm confused about the nut width spec (used to fractions), are you saying it's a little less than 1-11/6, maybe even a 1-5/8? It's the one thing I'd change on my F65ce, the 1-5/8 nut is a tad narrow for optimum playability for me.

Was it re-necked? Was there funny business with the label? Luckily our good Sherlock Hans shed light this mystery. Apparently it was not uncommon for similar models to share the same “husks”, which explains the GF-50 neck block. Seeing that, the theory is that the person stamping the headstock got confused and stamped it as a GF50... Discovering the “oops” later on, it was filled and re-stamped (albeit lightly) as a GF60... However, over time the original stamp came up towards the surface and became more prevalent.

Love it. Yep, have suspected that was what was going on in several reported "anomolous neck block stamps" over the last couple of years.

I hope you bond well with her, brothah! 🍺
 
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But I'm confused about the nut width spec (used to fractions), are you saying it's a little less than 1-11/6, maybe even a 1-5/8

No, it is a 1-11/16 which = 1.69 . I prefer 1-3/4 (1.75). It is playable but not as accurately for me as with a wider nut. I have a couple with in-between widths. It took me a while to get used to them. I’m hoping the same will happen with this one.
 
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Love the back on that one!

I had a GV-70 for a bit but the slightly twisted neck I inherited started drifting more to port during my ownership. Nice body shape/size tho.

Funny, I'd still own "Rosie" if it had the 1-11/16th nut.
 

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Very pretty guitar and very interesting back story! It's easy to forget that the factory work was done by humans and they made mistakes.
 
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Love the back on that one!

I had a GV-70 for a bit but the slightly twisted neck I inherited started drifting more to port during my ownership. Nice body shape/size tho.

Funny, I'd still own "Rosie" if it had the 1-11/16th nut.

This sounds a bit like the GV70 but a little brighter I think. Same sensitive touch. When I get it back from Tom Jacobs who is resetting the neck I’ll do a comparison. I know the GV is much deeper at 5-1/8 so not as comfortable as the GF.
 

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So beautiful!! Hey Mike, it looks like a short scale. Do you know the scale length on this one? I'm just curious. BEAUTIFUL guitar, my friend!! :love:
Apologies for the butt-inski, but short (24-3/4") scales only appeared on the cutaway-electric versions of the F40 outline, starting with F45ce and ending in '94 when the "F Series" (as they were called then) guitars went long scale. None of the GF's or GV's were shortscale. ;)
 

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Hey Al, an answer is an answer and I'll take it from any corner. That photo of the lower bout just looked like the bridge was kinda high up so I thought I'd ask. I guess that's just the way it's designed. Thanks for the info!! (y)
 

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So beautiful!! Hey Mike, it looks like a short scale. Do you know the scale length on this one? I'm just curious. BEAUTIFUL guitar, my friend!! :love:

Tom I just measured it and am getting 25-1/2, maybe a smidge more depending on where I put it. So Al is correct, no short scale on this one.
 

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Hey Al, an answer is an answer and I'll take it from any corner. That photo of the lower bout just looked like the bridge was kinda high up so I thought I'd ask. I guess that's just the way it's designed. Thanks for the info!! (y)
Nah, it's just that all that silking makes the lower bout look bigger than it really is, you know the old saw:

"Does this make my bout look bigger?".
 
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