NGD - F50R 74 or 75

[Nokomite]

Thanks so much, guys!

 

[Stuball48]

Thanks so much, guys!

With new strings,how does it sound to your ears?

 

[Nokomite]

With new strings,how does it sound to your ears?

Wonderful! I played it for a couple of hours tonight and it sounds great. I use Ernie Ball Paradigm 11 strings, which I like a lot. Big improvement.

 

[Stuball48]

Wonderful! I played it for a couple of hours tonight and it sounds great. I use Ernie Ball Paradigm 11 strings, which I like a lot. Big improvement.

That was the answer I was hoping for.
Enjoy a wonderful guitar and play it in good health!!

 

[Rambozo96]

Wonderful! I played it for a couple of hours tonight and it sounds great. I use Ernie Ball Paradigm 11 strings, which I like a lot. Big improvement.

Probably a healthy amount of lower frequencies? I never played a higher end jumbo.

 

[Nokomite]

Probably a healthy amount of lower frequencies? I never played a higher end jumbo.

Yes and that’s what I was hoping for and missing on my smaller bodied guitars. Love a nice thumpy bass.

 

[adorshki]

Also, since as Al says there are not "racing stripes" like they did on the bound fretboards I'd say this is original and looks super nice.

The "not" is not supposed to be there, right?

But now what I'm curious about is how Hans knew the neck had been reworked, unless he saw other pics in the seller's listing, or already knew the guitar.. Meant to mention that to Nokomite (that Hans may already know the guitar), but got sidetracked this AM and forgot..

 

[adorshki]

Yes and that’s what I was hoping for and missing on my smaller bodied guitars. Love a nice thumpy bass.

Me too, and I'd probably jones for a 17" jumbo if I wasn't pretty sure it'd be too big for me to play comfortably for long.

 

[bobouz]

Probably a healthy amount of lower frequencies? I never played a higher end jumbo.

It doesn’t have to be a high end jumbo to deliver those rumbling bass frequencies. The JF-30, imho, is one of the best buys out there in guitar land (although prices have been going up recently). My ‘94 has a beautifully deep tone, while retaining a well balanced sound overall. Always worth a test drive if you come across one!

 

[Nokomite]

The "not" is not supposed to be there, right?

But now what I'm curious about is how Hans knew the neck had been reworked, unless he saw other pics in the seller's listing, or already knew the guitar.. Meant to mention that to Nokomite (that Hans may already know the guitar), but got sidetracked this AM and forgot..

It has the racing stripes. I will take some better pics of the neck and post them for the curious, those were the seller’s pics. The seller claims he didn’t take off the binding, but someone who owned it prior to his 35 years with it may have. It’s still a mystery and may always be. My intention was to get a great player, so I’m just happy that this is true.

 

[Nokomite]

Just gotta say, this thing is a freaking cannon. I’m so happy with it!

 

[hansmoust]

This came up in another thread, but I feel it's appropriate to re-post it here:

The part that may interest Nokomite is that the binding on the bass side of the fingerboard broke off, but the neck binding on the treble side is still flexible. Goes back to the discussion regarding why the neck binding on his F50R is missing; the binding may have cracked/broken off, and the owner may have decided to just replace the binding with strips of ebony instead, fearing that it would happen again.

Don't think that the binding on Nokomite's guitar was replaced with ebony strips. With what I can see in the photos that were posted in Nokomite's thread, I believe that the bottom part of the groove, which is very narrow at that particular spot, was simply removed ........ sanded, chiseled or scraped away; at least that's what the photos that Nokomite posted, tell me. I may be wrong, but it would be very easy to check by measuring the actual width of the neck, which would be narrower now if my theory is correct.

You may be right, but if so, that is borderline insane. The amount of wotk to remove that amount of wood, then refinish the neck, as well as the impact to the value of the guitar, is massive. Not to mention that its not like F50R’s nech is not overly wide to srat with. You are right, tge only real way to tell is to measure the fretboard width, probably at a few points (just ro be sure), say at tge nut, and at the 12th fret or so.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[kostask]

Just to be clear, when I mentioned Nokomite's F50R, I was under the impression that there were ebony strips added to each side of the standard fretboard, and that my suspicion was that the binding had become unglued/disintegrated, and instead of redoing the binding on the neck, the previous owner chose to use the ebony strips to fill in the binding channels. This would result in a wider fingerboard.

Hans is saying that he believes that the entire neck has been reduced in width to the width of the fingerboard without the binding, and the neck was then re-carved, smoothed out, and refinished.

Both are viable (in some way). Measuring the fingerboard width would prove if either is true.

P.S. If the neck was narrowed, wouldn't the curve of the headstock, where the headstock comes down in width to meet the neck also need to be reworked? There may be some evidence of rework there as well.

 

[hansmoust]

Just to be clear, when I mentioned Nokomite's F50R, I was under the impression that there were ebony strips added to each side of the standard fretboard, and that my suspicion was that the binding had become unglued/disintegrated, and instead of redoing the binding on the neck, the previous owner chose to use the ebony strips to fill in the binding channels. This would result in a wider fingerboard.

Well not exactly a wider fingerboard, but approximately the width of a regular neck with binding

Hans is saying that he believes that the entire neck has been reduced in width to the width of the fingerboard without the binding, and the neck was then re-carved, smoothed out, and refinished.

Re-carving would not be necessary, but smoothing out with whatever-what tool(s) would be necessary to make it look 'somewhat right'.
Without detailed photos I can't tell what they've done with the finish!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[marius]

Wouldn’t reworking the neck to match the routed binding ledge still leave that ledge on the fingerboard extension over the top?
This definitely calls for more detailed photos.

 

[hansmoust]

Wouldn’t reworking the neck to match the routed binding ledge still leave that ledge on the fingerboard extension over the top?

If someone did what I think was done then he (or she) removed the ledge from the neck; there never was a ledge on the fingerboard extension. The binding is just glued against the side of that part of the fingerboard. That means you will now see a piece of soundboard next to the fingerboard that was first covered by the neck binding and consequently the pickguard will not be flush against the side of the fingerboard.

Again ......... if that's what I think they did!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[chazmo]

Hey, Nokomite,

I'm super glad you're enjoying your F-50R. Knew you would.

When you have a chance, get us some good pictures of the neck and fretboard and fretboard extension so we can figure out what was done here. Best wishes!

 

[Nokomite]

Hey guys sorry I've been AWOL. I have a vacation rental cottage I just put a roof on, and when my guests arrived last week, the house was invaded by a swarm of Florida carpenter ants that no longer had any way to stroll outside the walls. Some of them were coming in through the ceiling fan and being flung by the blades around the bedroom. ARRGH! I've been busy exterminating and placating the renters. I have new people coming in tomorrow so I will soon be able to take the pictures and measurements I promised. I've barely been able to play any music at all this past week with all the craziness going on. I appreciate the nudge. I'm interested to know what happened too.

 

[chazmo]

Aaaargh! Sorry to hear that, Nokomite.

 

[bobouz]

I have a vacation rental cottage I just put a roof on, and when my guests arrived last week, the house was invaded by a swarm of Florida carpenter ants that no longer had any way to stroll outside the walls. Some of them were coming in through the ceiling fan and being flung by the blades around the bedroom. ARRGH!

Okay, I just looked up Nokomis, Florida.

So along with the slew of welts my wife & I suffered from no-see-ums biting the living hell out of us on the beach, I can now add a swarm of flinging carpenter ants to my sunny vision of the gulf coast!