NGD: Black Nightbird GG

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beecee's original thread stated the GC employee offered to buy the Dimarzio pickups from him, when he first bought the guitar. Those pickups may have simply disappeared when the guitar was returned to GC. as for the note, i don't know that it was ever clear if the note was written on paper or somewhere inside the guitar or cavity cover. good luck getting any info or anything at all from GC on this 5 weeks later. just be happy the guitar wound up with a forum member. beecee didn't really know what he had, and part of the reason he bought it was the return policy at GC. try not to make him feel so bad. I hope DRC enjoys the Nightbird, and offers it here first when he's ready to sell. not so much has been lost with the pickups and notes. at least beecee saw it and reported it all here, so we still have the whole story. Hans has those same OG Dimarzio pickups available if they are needed by DRC or anyone else
If it wasn't for beecee we would never have known. The history is a bit clearer on this guitar because of beecee's investigation and reporting. The note was in the cavity I believe. It may still be? And in the end the Nightbird returned to the group! And it has a great back story with it.
 

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Wasn't the KW/GG note written inside the guitar in the control cavity?
 

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Congrats, DRC! That's a rare and beautiful example of a Nightbird, and I'm at least happy someone here is now in possession. :C)
 

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Wasn't the KW/GG note written inside the guitar in the control cavity?
beecee wrote: "Had a cute hand written note to "GG from KW..., in the cavity..." but I wasn't sure if he was talking about the "cavity" as "Control cavity" of the guitar or "cavity" as "accessories compartment in the guitar case".
Well, drc will find out!
Ralf
 

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The note was folded up inside the cavity, I thought it wise to get an old piece of paper away from electric wires so I put it in the case.

I really feel like a dummy,,. but Hans claiming there were two guitars with the serial number, incorrect "German" hardware and what he perceived to be a suspicious refinish to hide some latent flaw....plus my general ignorance of electrics....led me to think I had made a mistake.

Boy did I make a mistake.

But yes, at least it's with someone here! And someone who will probably use it a lot more than me!

Enjoy, it really is in great shape...and I'm very picky about the condition of black guitars!!

I still chuckle about the guy at the GC in Albany saying oh, a Guild Les Paul!! He was almost as clueless as me!!!
 

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The note was folded up inside the cavity, I thought it wise to get an old piece of paper away from electric wires so I put it in the case.

I really feel like a dummy,,. but Hans claiming there were two guitars with the serial number, incorrect "German" hardware and what he perceived to be a suspicious refinish to hide some latent flaw....plus my general ignorance of electrics....led me to think I had made a mistake.

Boy did I make a mistake.

But yes, at least it's with someone here! And someone who will probably use it a lot more than me!

Enjoy, it really is in great shape...and I'm very picky about the condition of black guitars!!

I still chuckle about the guy at the GC in Albany saying oh, a Guild Les Paul!! He was almost as clueless as me!!!

Cheer up, if it wasn't for you, we wouldn't even know about this special guitar! And it's back in the LTG family. S'all good :)
 

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Thanks ruedi...oh and this is for you!

I'm sure I'll get "moderated" for this but there are 4 dumbells in this room!!

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The note was folded up inside the cavity, I thought it wise to get an old piece of paper away from electric wires so I put it in the case.

I really feel like a dummy,

Here I was, the dummy, thinking it was marked on the wood inside the cavity. :unsure:
 

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...Hans claiming there were two guitars with the serial number, incorrect "German" hardware and what he perceived to be a suspicious refinish to hide some latent flaw....
Maybe just some explanation about this and what I think.
The hardware of many Guild guitars was German made by Müller, now ABM. (Harp tailpieces, various Nightbird tailpieces and bridges, roller bridges,...). I think what made Hans "suspicious" was the use of some of that German hardware that would have not been typical for that serial number/vintage yet as Gruhn's prototype and the very early models like this didn't use the German hardware. And the hardware looked to him like for a "Nightbird I" model which didn't exist at that time yet. But at that time he also didn't know about that Walker to Gruhn note which I think explained a lot more about the "why".
The "two guitars" with "same" serial numbers story also makes sense, Hans obviously had the "original" guitar in his database with a different color/finish as that was written in the ledgers when she was finished. So lets say "sunburst" as example just to be simple.
Something on that "sunburst" guitar was changed after it was finished in the factory (maybe because Walker needed one to try out things). At some point Walker worked on it again and sprayed her black to maybe cover some wood work he did, added hardware he had on his desk (which now was newer hardware) and somehow later the guitar left the factory and nobody checked the electronics cavity until you discovered this note...As the guitar was refinished at the factory you would not have seen something but Hans did spot something on the (already previously stamped serial number) nevertheless, as he knows where to look. And that would explain the "two guitars with the same serial number" as well, which in reality is the same guitar just with a different look. Just my theory.

EDIT: My "theory" regarding the two guitars being the same is obviously wrong... See Hans post # 34. (not that we know much more now...)

Ralf
 
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if drc was to contact Kim Walker or GG they might remember this guitar and it's circumstances. Kim Walker is very personable. George is also reachable.
 

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Yeah please don't let my posts serve in any way to contradict Hans. He's been extremely helpful to me in the past and as we all know a tremendous asset to these forums.
 

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She arrived safe and sound. As expected, there is nothing left in the case. I think someone had fun leveling, the frets are really flat and wide. The guitar plays, sounds and looks great.

If I had to guess, I'd say the pickups are some sort of Seymour Duncan. The previously mentioned sticker inside the control cavity is from American Music in Seattle.

Pitter-Patter!
 
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