NGD 1977 Guild CE-100-D

mavuser

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while I was picking up my restored 1965 F-312 from Tom Jacobs, we also made a nice bonus deal...a trade that resulted in my new ownership of this:

https://reverb.com/item/2081534-1977-guild-ce-100d#full

the guitar is fantastic! and has insane neck vibrato, it is almost like the equivalent of a bigsby. i've never played one quite like that. very excited for this.
 

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Wow, congrats! The CE-100D is so unique - it's not a "deep" Starfire III, it's not like an X-150D - it's its own thing. And you got one with a 5-piece neck (which is really cool in my book). Enjoy!!
 
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Wow, that’s a keeper! Congratulations on getting a gem.
 

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This is a new one for me. Can you explain please?

any neck movement whatsoever, while holding a chord u just strummed...results in an extremely lush vibrato effect. i guess the technique maybe is called "neck bending?" not really sure...but on this guitar in particular, the effect is really intensified, like tenfold. you can really hear that effect, the guitar is extremely responsive. it has a huge maple fully hollow box with tremendous tone, so maybe that is the deal w these...everything is just over the top. i've only plugged it in at Tom's shop back in January. it is a monster both plugged and unplugged
 

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Strum a chord and then move your fretting hand forward and back. You can get a subtle vibrato. Watch Bill Frisell sometime. He'll push the neck forward then pull it back in one swift motion. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not even aware that he's doing it; the sound in his head goes slightly flat for a moment and his muscle memory probably takes over.
 

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I once had the chance to try out a custom made LP Jr style guitar that happened to have no truss rod at all. The luthier felt that any kind of truss rod affected the sound of the guitar. (Probably true, but for better or worse or...?) Anyway, knowing there was no truss rod I had to try some 'neck-shake' vibrato. It seemed to me to much more pronounced than other guitars, but it could easily have been confirmation bias.

So, just out of curiosity, I wonder if your truss rod is loose?
 

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The old put your palm on the upper bout and flex the neck forward from the backside deal? Man, that always gave me the creeps to do. Like, that shouldn't break anything to do, but you'd sure feel like a dummy if it did. It'd be just my luck.
 

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The old put your palm on the upper bout and flex the neck forward from the backside deal? Man, that always gave me the creeps to do. Like, that shouldn't break anything to do, but you'd sure feel like a dummy if it did. It'd be just my luck.

No no no!

Just shake your fretting hand while playing. We're not talking about Van Halen dive bombs. It's subtle and shouldn't break anything unless the guitar is ready to fall apart anyway.
 

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No no no!

Just shake your fretting hand while playing. We're not talking about Van Halen dive bombs. It's subtle and shouldn't break anything unless the guitar is ready to fall apart anyway.

Well what Default seemed to be saying is that the neck is so flexible that you can easily bend it back and forth!
 

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I’ve seen plenty of guys bending necks, even going so far as to put the other hand on the body for leverage.

I hate that.
 

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Well what Default seemed to be saying is that the neck is so flexible that you can easily bend it back and forth!

Well, when you move your fretting hand quickly forward or backward the neck will bend at least a little. The amount that neck actually bends is minuscule and not perceptible. But the results are perceptible. Try it! It's subtle, but I guarantee that unless your guitar has a metal neck or you're physically challenged, you will hear a change in pitch. You can do a quick back and forth to get a quick flattening, or do it rhythmically to get a subtle vibrato.

And no, I am not talking about holding the body with one hand and putting your back into pushing the neck forward. It's entirely the inertia of the body that's allowing you to bend the neck a tiny bit.

Again, just try it if you don't believe me.
 
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