Newark St. S-100 (first batch, 2013) discussion ...

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Of all the solid body electrics Guild has made over the years, the 1970's era S-100 is a clear standout. The guitar's legend seems to have only grown over the years. So when Guild decided to reenter the electric guitar market with a line of guitars produced overseas, it's no surprise that the S-100 was on the short list.

When the initial Newark Street collection was announced to such great fanfare and excitement, I was instantly excited to see the inclusion of the S-100 ... and then it took me about 5 seconds to notice all the problems.

What's with the pickups? Where's the phase switch? And are you really only offering it in cherry? Why? So that it would blend in with the starfire reissues? Wrong decade, guys!

Yes, cherry was the second most common S-100 color after Nature Boy, but I don't think it was all that smart of a call to make so many of the NS guitars cherry, and it was definitely a mistake to offer them ONLY in cherry. It takes about two seconds inside of a guitar store to figure out that every electric guitar model from the cheapest to the most expensive is offered in at least 2-3 different colors. In a car lot, the color of the car is often the difference between a sale and no sale, especially if a young person is doing the buying (or at least the choosing).

But the worst of these choices was definitely launching the guitar with the wrong pickups.

RIght off the bat, I was worried that this S-100 was not going to sell. Of all the S-100 fans here at LTG, I can't recall anyone placing an advance order for one of these guitars, in fact the owners roster shows hundreds of S-100's from the 70s and 90's and only 5 2013's owned by LTG members.

Anyway, after the launch, we heard several times from the guys behind the scenes that the NS guitars were NOT intended to be historical reproductions, but more like modern interpretations of classic Guild designs, produced with ear for sound and a focus on affordability. Understanding that, I was willing to give the S-100 a chance.

Eventually, sound clips of the guitar appeared on youtube and various sites around the web, and I was tremendously annoyed that clip after clip only featured the S-100 through a driven amp or distortion box. They'd play some 70's metal riffs and say "so there you have it" and end the video. Something was wrong here. I really needed to know what the guitar's natural sound was with these new pickups. It was clear that the only way for me to find out was to track one down and play it.

A few months later, True Tone in Santa Monica had one on the floor as well as several other guitars in the Newark street line. I got to play many of these guitars both plugged in and unplugged.

In my opinion, just judging it on playabliity and quality of sound, the S-100 was by far the worst guitar in the entire Newark Street line up. After just a few moments playing it unplugged, I could tell that it felt dead and lifeless. Through an amp, it sounded thin and ragged. It didn't sing, it squeeled. It didn't bark like a doberman, it yipped like an poodle. INSTANT PASS.

The guys at True Tone knew that I was a Guild snob, and they knew that I came in that day to demo the NS guitars. and in the end they knew that no matter how much fun I had playing the hollowbodies and the artistocrat, I couldn't get over how terrible the S-100 was. I felt deflated.

It wasn't until months later that I heard that the factory botched the specs for the bridge pickups in the mini humbuckers and it all made sense to me. Would it have made a difference that day? I don't know.

But still, even if they built the pickups to match the 60's mini humbuckers perfectly, I still think that they should not have put them on the S-100! In fact, with the lineup of Newark Street guitars focused entirely on the 50's and 60's, I don't think they should have released the S-100 reissue at all.

If they absolutely HAD to release a solid body with these pickups, the better thing to do in my opinion was to make a modern interpretation of the Thunderbird or perhaps even the Polara. Or maybe an in-between version that had the T-bird shape and mini HBs but with the wiring and pickup selector of the Polara and 70's S-100s. They could have called it the S-150 or something.

In the end, relaunching the S-100 was shamefully mishandled. And it was also a real missed opportunity. If properly built and marketed, this was a chance for so many players to finally know - first hand - what the big deal was about when it came to S-100's.

In the end, it doesn't matter to me if the new S-100s are historically accurate or not. The important thing is to capture the look, the feel and the sound of the good ones from the 70's.

And the one thing Guild MUST do is be certain to never release a guitar until it has truly earned the "GUILD" logo on the headstock.
 

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That was thorough if nothing else !

Since you've scoured YouTube, can you recommend a few links that highlight what you heard and what it SHOULD sound like ? A good video is worth a thousand words.
 

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Man, you nailed my feelings exactly. When they announced they were re-issuing the S100, I called my local Guild dealer every few weeks to see when it was going to be there. When I finally got my hands on one the first thing to pop into my head was "De armond". Although it was lighter, it felt as dead and cheap as the De armonds I'd played, and sounded worse. I played it through several different amps and it sounded bad thru every one of them. The salesman thought he had an easy sale after I'd called him so many times but he was sorely disappointed that I didn't take it home. I went back several times and played it again and it never got any better. That guitar languished on the floor there and then languished on E-Bay for a long time until they finally accepted someone's low-ball offer just to get rid of it. The next closest Guild dealer to me STILL has the same S100 they got 2 years ago listed on E-Bay, listed as a demo model with a reduced price, with no takers. The last time I saw the one near to me I could tell several people had tried it but not bought it. I thought FMIC really screwed up, anyone who played that thing will probably think all Guilds sound that bad. I fear that even if Cordoba improves the pickups that few will give it a chance thinking it's the same crappy guitar from before. I know some on this forum bought them and some even like them, but not me. Honestly, I think they should never have brought them back.
 

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That was thorough if nothing else !

Since you've scoured YouTube, can you recommend a few links that highlight what you heard and what it SHOULD sound like ? A good video is worth a thousand words.

Here's the demo from music store live, who usually have really great reviews. notice how for most of the playing, the guitarist is using the neck pickup. Then about halfway in, he switches to the bridge pickup but also turns up the gain. Even with the gain turned up, the guitar sounds thin and chicken-scratchy using the bridge pickup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7OmTtvlyVM

Here's another demo where the player stays on the neck pickup for the first part of the demo, and as soon as he switches to the bridge pickup, the tone goes into icepick territory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1xWlb_10Kw

Now here's what an S-100 should really sound like when played clean. Notice the great use of all pickup positions and the phase switch in the first 60 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMknl_bhJLE&list=PL1g2xSKCfujl1D4UCPAomqqfntYjf2h_g&index=4

And here's LTG's very own member bluespicky, showing off his chops but also showing off just how articlulate, and expressive the HB1 pickup can be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dluod34Tndw&index=21&list=PL1g2xSKCfujl1D4UCPAomqqfntYjf2h_g
 

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I was disappointed at the NAMM show, before it was even released.
 

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KOMA, you make a really great point about the damage the 2013 version of this guitar can do to the reputation of not just the S-100, but to the reputation of guild electrics in general. If I didn't know anything about Guilds and I picked this guitar up, I would have set it down and never looked at the brand again. (But if I had picked up the A-150, I would have been an instant fan).

I also want to say that Guild did a lot of things right with the Newark Street line. They chose some really fantastic models for the run, and they did a great job of not cutting corners with so many aspects. bringing back the "guildsby" was absolutley genius.

The S-100 was a big miss, in my opinion, and could continue to cause problems with the reputation of the model in the future. But it was just a rare dud in an otherwise fantastic and well received project.
 

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FWIW, when the NS line came out and my local dealer had one of each in the shop, he noted (as he sold me a Starfire bass) that the S100 was the most disappointing instrument in the line. He cited the finish and "sound" as two things he would want to change if he had to sell a lot of them. Last time I checked his opinion had not seriously changed.
 

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I tried one of the Newark S100s out in my local music store, earlier this year. Never even bothered plugging it in, because from the get-go it felt lifeless and clunky in my hands - zero inspiration. The finish - poly? - felt thick, like it had strangled the wood. It looked superficially like an S-100 but I couldn't get past my disappointment. The rosewood board looked pale and boring... nothing about the guitar sparkled, to tell you the truth. The sales guy I dealt with was also a bit irked, seeing as I had called repeatedly, waiting for one of the new 2013 S00s to come in. Once it was in though, and I had a chance to hold it in my own hands, that was pretty much it. What a letdown.

I've got nothing against Korean-made guitars; I own a few and the ones I've kept are great. So that's not it for me. I think they just didn't pay attention to the essential ingredients of the S100 and were more interested in launching the whole line rather than specifically making sure each and every model got the proper care and due diligence.

Glad to hear that they're going to try round two and give it the pickups it should have had in the first place. And give us at least some kind of option in terms of finish. That cherry colour is fine but it's nice to have choices.
 
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This is a very interesting discussion as I too was underwhelmed when I tried a NS S-100. I thought it was heavy and clunky but then I have a 1973 S-100SC so there is a lot to measure up too. I have never had one of the later S-100 reissues from the 1990's or 2000's so I was not sure if the NS S-100 was more like these reissues or what the deal was. I never even plugged it in. I was not overly impressed with the Starfire IV but then again I have a 1973 Starfire IV, again lots to live up to. Although I think all the NS guitars are pretty spectacular for the price the hollow bodies I think are the real hit out of the park so to speak. I am not sure I could pass up a NS Aristocrat if I came across a great deal on one. I am really curious as to what makes the NS S-100 such a dog in so many eyes. I guess I can not quantify the reason myself but it can't be just the pick ups as these can always be changed or rewound. I think I will have to try another one and plug it in this time. I do think some guitars take time to grow on a person but then some guitars just grab you when you first pick them up. I think I have to go get my S-100SC out right now. Happy holidays to all.
thanks John
 

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I think not being US made hurt the S-100. I've not gotten a chance to play one, but my negative initial reaction to seeing that they are foreign made has stuck with me. And I'm not a US snob or anything. I've owned plenty of foreign-made guitars.
 

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Any updates or thoughts in 2021 on these :)

These of interest?


 

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Apparently, I had a lot of time on my hands and needed others to “feel my feelings” back in 2014! 👀😂
 

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I must be the odd one of the lot!
I was so glad to get a S100 with the mini buckers. Beautiful guitar reminiscent of the very first S100's. Now I agree its not a S100 with HB1's and that is why I like it. Unfortunately for those looking for a true S100 so it was great when they made the change to HB1's and more colors.

I'm speaking in a selfish way... I have many guitars with HB1's and have a vintage S100.

No doubt Cordoba's marketing screwed up then recovered and in the process a odd lot of S100's are floating around with the mini humbuckers. Who knows they may be the hard to find expensive models some day like some of the better DeArmonds.

As an aside...mistake or not on the specs of the bridge pickup...the vintage Guilds have a similar problem. I have never been happy with the balance of the neck/bridge pickups on any of the vintage hollow, semihollow or solid body guitars in the '63 to '70 period.

So I agree with the marketing mistake and was glad to see them recover. It looked like they learned from their mistake and exploited the diversity with the S200 TBird series.

M
 

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The vintage Guilds have low resistance tone pots on the neck pup. Don't remember the value offhand. Switch those out for 500ks, like the bridge, and that might do it for you
 

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The vintage Guilds have low resistance tone pots on the neck pup. Don't remember the value offhand. Switch those out for 500ks, like the bridge, and that might do it for you

If the pot isn't a 500k then it's probably a 200k.
 

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Nice necro-thread revival!!!!!

I have one of GAD's S-100s. I gave it to my son who loves it. Compared to other electric junk that's been through my hands, the NS axe felt really good in my hands. I never was able to evaluate it as an electric though.
 
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