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I believe it's a 1976. It needs a new nut because someone filed it far too low. The neck pickup also looks like it's kind of caved in like my Studio, but I haven't looked at it in any detail yet so I don't know if it's normal or a problem. The guitar plays fine and the neck points where it should - it just buzzes on the open strings though it plays perfectly capo'd at the first fret. I've never done a new nut before. We'll see how motivated I am to try.

Anyway, it's purdy. :)

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Very nice GAD and you will have it dialed in to your liking, soon!
 

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You can shim a nut a little, or rebuild a slot as needed, some Erlewine trick, baking soda and super glue?

Bone nuts are easily available, but you really need a good set of nut files to do it right.

I finally bought this set of Japan made files 010 thru .056, money was never better spent. Thats the '73 D35 getting dialed properly at the nut.

It's too bad somebody goofed with this nut and over-lowered it, but 99% of guitars are too high at the nut slots, wreaking having with intonation through the first three frets. It becomes easier to understand why so many stars don't play up there but capo, eliminating the nut altogether.

I suffered through many a guitar with too high a nut over the years. I have really sensitive ears to pitch inconsistencies, a guitar just won't ring right, or, you have to slack the EB strings for a good ring playing in D & G, but then a hair too flat for a good E Major. It gets old.

I'm still evolving at understanding intonation, waves, standing waves.

Frank Ford has a nice write up on setting nut slot height optimally, press at the third fret, measure at the first with a feeler gauge, which I pretty much refuse to do. I would rather eyeball it and feel the bounce, but it's just a very slight gap. I'd say most guitars are too high in the nut slots by about .010".

The real reason I'm doing this to strings anymore is I'm just tired of stabbing incident when dusting the headstock or changing strings.

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Beautiful finish color and grain! Congratulations!

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Congratulations! Looking forward to your thoughts on how the different eras of SF’s compare and contrast.
 

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Frank Ford has a nice write up on setting nut slot height optimally, press at the third fret, measure at the first with a feeler gauge, which I pretty much refuse to do. I would rather eyeball it and feel the bounce, but it's just a very slight gap. I'm say most guitars are too high in the nut slots by about .010".
I concur totally with that, "feel" rather that feeler gauge.
My Newark St. Starfire 1V 12string that I bought new a couple of years ago had the nut height perfect, straight from the factory.
Kudos to Guild. !!
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Beautiful acquisition GAD! Congratulations. Like Guildagain stated, simply shimming the nut slightly might be the easiest, quick-fix.
 

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Well let's hear about it:)

Would you like me to cut and paste my rant about how much work each review is? :)

Seriously, though - all reviews where the guitar was not already photographed (including the SFI, an F50R, a green Blues-90, and my DV73, not to mention a 1994 SF4, a new Peregrine, and a pile of Guild pedals) have been delayed by months because of a software bug on one of my photography apps (Capture One Pro) that made it impossible for me to shoot (or more accurately process) photos going back some months. I finally gave up on them fixing it and downgraded yesterday. Even so, it's nowhere near the top of the pile right now, so patience is your friend.

Also, every time someone asks I push it back a month. 🤪
 

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A nut job (like myself) shouldn’t run you too much, $40-$60. Far less than the cost of the tools to do it right.
But, if you foresee doing quite a few, then it’ll pay in the long run to learn how to do it, and get the right tools.

A cheaper route, but far more tedious, is to get a pre-slotted nut from StewMac and sand the bottom on a flat surface until the slots are the right height. But that involves a lot of: stringing up to tension, checking the slot depth, loosening the strings, taking the nut off, sanding the bottom, putting it back, stringing up to tension, checking... (you get the idea)
Over and over and over and over... (you don’t want to go too far or you’ll be back where you started. Small amounts at a time.)

With the files, you still are taking the slots down bit by bit, but individually, with the strings on, just moving the one you’re working on.
 

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Would you like me to cut and paste my rant about how much work each review is? :)

Seriously, though - all reviews where the guitar was not already photographed (including the SFI, an F50R, a green Blues-90, and my DV73, not to mention a 1994 SF4, a new Peregrine, and a pile of Guild pedals) have been delayed by months because of a software bug on one of my photography apps (Capture One Pro) that made it impossible for me to shoot (or more accurately process) photos going back some months. I finally gave up on them fixing it and downgraded yesterday. Even so, it's nowhere near the top of the pile right now, so patience is your friend.

Also, every time someone asks I push it back a month. 🤪
And, with your time commitments, best to farm out the job.
 

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A nut job (like myself) shouldn’t run you too much, $40-$60. Far less than the cost of the tools to do it right.
But, if you foresee doing quite a few, then it’ll pay in the long run to learn how to do it, and get the right tools.

A cheaper route, but far more tedious, is to get a pre-slotted nut from StewMac and sand the bottom on a flat surface until the slots are the right height. But that involves a lot of: stringing up to tension, checking the slot depth, loosening the strings, taking the nut off, sanding the bottom, putting it back, stringing up to tension, checking... (you get the idea)
Over and over and over and over... (you don’t want to go too far or you’ll be back where you started. Small amounts at a time.)

With the files, you still are taking the slots down bit by bit, but individually, with the strings on, just moving the one you’re working on.

While I would enjoy learning how, that's probably counter-productive to me getting anything done. I need to find a local trustworthy person to do this stuff.
 

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What Chris said. That's a tedious job that's not difficult but so time consuming and doing those things over and over make me a little crazy (okay a LOT crazy) and we have the tools out there but thank goodness my nuts are doing fine!! At my age that's a blessing. So yeah, get someone to do it and spend your time on reviews. Of course, that's a selfish opinion but you do that better than most people i know so..... call me selfish. Go ahead.....

My original reason for posting, and i got sidetracked by all this nut business, is that's a beautiful guitar and the burst to me is really, REALLY nice!! So good on you! So I await (patiently of course) your reviews.... any and all. ;)
 
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