Need a good sound hole pickup that will fit an F30...

Westerly Wood

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I know the K&K is the default go to, but I'm not a fan. Here's my story. I was looking for a pickup to replace a horrid Lyric in a Martin I had. A friend told me about a local pickup maker I should try out, so I called Teddy Randazo and bought a set of Dazzos and his recommended RedEye pre. Instant love. Four sets of Dazzos later, I bought my Martin D 35 that came with K&Ks already in it. Great I told myself, I won't have to spend for Dazzos. Plugged the guitar in, and something was wrong. They must be defective, I thought. Went into Gryphon and asked the guys if they could check them for me. They plugged into a Loudbox mini, AND BEFORE PLAYING THE GUITAR, they rolled all the bass off on the amp. Then they started playing with the mid and treble EQ. Yes, they got a decent sound. So I asked them, that is just how they sound? Yes. You see, it had been years since I touched even the treble knob on my RedEye. I've since moved on to a SunnAudio pre, an even better tone than the already good RedEye. You will need all the considerable EQ on the PARA DI if you go the K&K route. It is a cheaper way to go. Even cheaper is the JJB, witch I put in my cheapo archtop when I had the back off it. Now K&K is only part of the problem. The design of the gain in both the RedEye and the SunnAudio is very linear, so you don't need EQ to compensate for frequency dips and bumps in a poorly designed gain stage. Of course it all comes down to cost of components, and marketing. If Fishman and Baggs used even the best pots, it would double the cost of them. A Dazzo with SunnAudio combination is not cheap, but it is the best plug and play combination I've found. I help run an open mic, and had SunnAudio build me a two input Blender DI in a box. It makes even the cheapest piezo sound much better. Now I don't consider myself a holy grail tone chaser, but I do like trouble free plug and play. Set the board tone controls flat, plug in and go.

you know what Brick? I been thinking the K&K does sound heavy on the bass side of the house. not very balanced. into a PA it's good, as that is kind of like a preamp and the sound tech can touch it up. but just in my cheap PA at home, it's kind of bland/bassy. I don't play out a whole lot anymore so this is not really a necessary expense today for me. I also don't play the dreads a lot due to shoulder, so eventually, the F30r will need a good pup I like. I don't know what pup is in the F30r now, but I remember Bonneville saying he did not think it was a K&K. And while the output jack does look to me K&Kish, it's probably standard. The sound output does not remind me of a K&K mini at all, so could very well be an under saddle transducer...
 
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I replaced the factory DTAR in my '11 F-30RCE with a K&K Pure Mini. I think it sounds better, but I also don't play out enough to really worry about it. If I wasn't worried about messing up the soundhole - not sure I should be, but I am - I'd probably go with a Seymour Duncan Woody or a Dean Markley soundhole pickup.

Clearly, Woody, you should go with the SD Woody! :)

Here's how a soundhole pickup is supposed to sound:



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I replaced the factory DTAR in my '11 F-30RCE with a K&K Pure Mini. I think it sounds better, but I also don't play out enough to really worry about it. If I wasn't worried about messing up the soundhole - not sure I should be, but I am - I'd probably go with a Seymour Duncan Woody or a Dean Markley soundhole pickup.

Clearly, Woody, you should go with the SD Woody! :)

Here's how a soundhole pickup is supposed to sound:



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I have that sound hole pup. But it don’t fit the F30R. I should try again, use a tad more effort.

I am not worried about messing up the sh. 😀
 

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When I had my 65 M20 I used the Bill Lawrence A300 pickup in it because it was one of the only pickups that fit the small sound hole. It sounded pretty good. I went directly into my Fishman loudbox mini or used a baggs gigpro preamp if going into a PA.
 

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I took out the padding in each end of the SD woody, and duct taped the raw wood so not to mess up sound hole edging. Real hack job but works plugged into pa. Sounds good. I might try a bill Lawrence a300 though. Sounds safer long term.

I not really a carpenter.
 
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