Mary Halvorson's non-Guild

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Starting here in another thread there is some discussion of Mary Halvorson who has been discussed and is known for playing an Artist Award.

This picture is interesting.

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It's not a Guild.
Any chance that it is the instrument described below?

(In Lisbon, Halvorson played a travel model made specifically for her by luthier Flip Scipio that carefully reproduces some attributes of her Guild Artist Award without the size and fragility.)

Quote from here.

Or perhaps not according to here.

So what is it?
 

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No, the one Flip Scipio made does not have a Guild logo! It has a Guild style pickguard but otherwise it is a Scipio guitar!

It's that one and has nothing to do with the "Guild" above.

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It shows "Flip Scipio" on the headstock:

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It's the kind from your second link. https://flipscipio.com/gallery/convertible



Now regarding the one you asked about. It's an old United Code from 1958, with a Premier body and a Guild marked headstock as she called it.

She got it in January 2010 already and reported about her new guitar here: http://halvorsonmary.blogspot.com/2010/02/new-guitar.html

"I finally found the perfect travel guitar! It sounds great and fits nicely in most overhead bins. Just what I needed as the airline restrictions are getting worse and worse. It's an old United Code from 1958, with a Premier body and a Guild headstock. Thanks to my friend Robbie who found it for me and helped me immensely through the whole search process. And thanks to Elliott for all his help as well! I don't know much about gear, but I've learned quite a bit in the past few months.
The guitar is with me in Vancouver right now, and it's first two gigs were the Anthony Braxton 12+1 tet and Sonic Genome project. Both mind blowing experiences..
."

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the guitar in the B&W pics is something from code/united in NJ. You see them as SS Stewart, Premier, Orpheum, Paramount,...but it's not a Guild.
 

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I tried to listen to the video at the end of that second article. I had to stop it for a while and go away, and then come back and listen and then stop it again and go away. I can't just sit and listen to it all the way through. At least, not with the drugs i currently have in stock, so...... yeah. How would you know if she made a mistake??
 

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To bring the veer from the other thread here - from that thread I said: "Ha! I took that two ways - it's not a Guild, and Halvorson doesn't really "play guitar". But her "playing" may only be my opinion, not yours, Hans!"

To answer your question, frono, yes I am saying I don't like her "music". Like Tom said above, it's impossible to sit through - for me. If others like it, great, she obviously has a following in the avant garde world.

She may have made some "waves", but not for me. I have given it some effort with severl of her videos, but don't find it musical at all. My opinion only, YMMV.

I do love her guitar, though!

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It's not the stye I play in (I come out of the John Fahey school) but I'm a huge fan of Derek Bailey, Keith Rowe, Hans Reichel, Eugene Chadbourne, and many other modern players -- though those "modern" guys are either in their '60s or '70s, or have been dead for some years.

I get that they're not popular -- they're too out there to be ever be that. But that doesn't (or shouldn't) negate what they're doing and have done.

Some people have a taste for the outre and some don't. Me, I'd rather listen to *Trout Mask Replica* than all the Beatles albums put together. The fact that I'm in a distinct minority doesn't make me wrong; it just means people's tastes vary. When someone posted a thread recently asking "What's your favorite Beatles song?," I said "Revolution #9" and I wasn't kidding. I grew up with all those Beatles albums, bought them as they came out, and I thought they were hip as all get out at one time. Today most of their stuff is just not very interesting to me. And it's not that I stopped listening tp popular music from that era -- I still love Hendrix, early Stones, Love, Creedence, etc.

"How you can tell if she makes a mistake?" With all due respect, does anyone really listen to music to see if they can spot someone making a mistake?! Jeez Louise, I hope not! It smacks a little of the person who looks at a Jackson Pollack painting and says, "My three-year-old could do better."

You can say, "I don't get it." You can say, "It doesn't appeal to me." But to claim that it must be bad music BECAUSE you don't get it or it doesn't appeal to you? Sorry, no.
 

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To answer your question, frono, yes I am saying I don't like her "music".

OK. I have not seen this much hate for an artist since the last time Yoko Ono was discussed here and a handful of people actually commented on her music and not just her effect on the Beatles.

I also recall the scorn heaped on Sheryl Crow because she heard, and liked, a hollow M-85 and then bought a solid M-85 and supposedly didn't know the difference.

So there is historical baggage and I am definitely viewing this through that lens. That said, it seems to me that MH knows she has, at best, a Guild neck, and not a Guild guitar which was the opinion I was soliciting comments on when I started this :)
 

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OK. I have not seen this much hate for an artist since the last time Yoko Ono was discussed here and a handful of people actually commented on her music and not just her effect on the Beatles.

What "hate"? I said "I am saying I don't like her music". I don't care for The Eagles much either...

The fact that I'm in a distinct minority doesn't make me wrong; it just means people's tastes vary.

You can say, "I don't get it." You can say, "It doesn't appeal to me."

I agree, that's exactly what I said!

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I guess that's what I get for trying to incorporate some humor into a serious discussion. I get hate thrown at me. It was a JOKE Glenn, so go ahead and lash out all you want and paint me with the Ignorant Brush. But if I were you I'd calm down. I don't care for her style or her music. That's all. The other statement was a joke which I guess is beyond you in the humor realm. So THERE!!
 
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