Is this a D50?
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West R Lee
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No sir, but a very poor imitation of one. Ain't even close.
West
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Yeah, what West said, it's a fake 
chicagowineguy
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just checking with the experts!
fronobulax
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This might not be the place to ask this but...
This guitar has been listed at least twice on eBay and many people here, including me, are convinced that it is not a Guild, at least in the sense that it was a "regular" model made on a Guild production line. There are a few, perhaps deluded, souls, who can construct a Frankenstein story that involves Guild employees or access to parts or the custom shop in the dark of night, but that seems unlikely to me.
However, if you try and ignore the Guild logo and label and just look at it as a guitar, is it any good? If everything else the seller says is true is it comparable to a starter guitar or the kind of instrument a more experienced player might gravitate to? Is there a price at which the instrument might be a fair purchase, if one can ignore the "scarlet G"? Are there questions that could be asked that, if answered honestly, would better describe the instrument (as opposed to the false front)?
(I'm not going to buy it but since it has started at least three different threads that I can recall, I'm curious as to whether it has flaws other than being mislabelled or strengths that counter the fakery).
And remepber I play at bass and have an opinion about everything and asking off the wall questions like this is one way I pull my opinions into line with reality
Thanks.
This guitar has been listed at least twice on eBay and many people here, including me, are convinced that it is not a Guild, at least in the sense that it was a "regular" model made on a Guild production line. There are a few, perhaps deluded, souls, who can construct a Frankenstein story that involves Guild employees or access to parts or the custom shop in the dark of night, but that seems unlikely to me.
However, if you try and ignore the Guild logo and label and just look at it as a guitar, is it any good? If everything else the seller says is true is it comparable to a starter guitar or the kind of instrument a more experienced player might gravitate to? Is there a price at which the instrument might be a fair purchase, if one can ignore the "scarlet G"? Are there questions that could be asked that, if answered honestly, would better describe the instrument (as opposed to the false front)?
(I'm not going to buy it but since it has started at least three different threads that I can recall, I'm curious as to whether it has flaws other than being mislabelled or strengths that counter the fakery).
And remepber I play at bass and have an opinion about everything and asking off the wall questions like this is one way I pull my opinions into line with reality
Thanks.
krysh
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oh no, not this guy again! :evil:
it is no guild guitar and will never be.
all the best
michael
it is no guild guitar and will never be.
all the best
michael
Fro: it might be worth 75 bucks. Max.
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drednut said:
That's an opinion. Thanks. Does your estimate vary as the price of a cord of firewood changes?
When buying a guitar on eBay and not being able to play it, one is relying a lot on the reputation of the seller and the brand of the axe. We don't have much of either on this item. I think this guitar has nice looks. The sides and back are nicely grained and the back is bookmatched well. The tuners might be Grovers but there's no positive way to tell. Looks like a mahogany neck. No close-up of the fretboard, which is a problem IMO. Does it even have a truss rod? No picture of the string clearance and no one has even asked about any known problems with the guitar. The bid is up to $255 as of this moment, which would be reasonable, I think, for an entry level brand name, but too much for a "pig in a poke". And the "novelty" factor is nill.
P.S. - I just went back one more time to view the listing. The case caught my eye. It is identical to the one that a friend had with his Esteban dreadnaught! I gave it away for him two weeks ago to a woman at work. She was thrilled to own a guitar of any kind, but I felt a little low giving it to her. The case was the best part of the deal! I had never seen an Esteban (he's the black-hatted, black-suited, sunglass-wearing huckster on late night TV). This was the worst piece of poop I've ever seen passed off as a guitar. Cheap pine; raw, ragged cutout for the electronics; terrible black paint job that had oversprayed through the soundhole all over the label. If the case gives us a clue that this questionable eBay listing is a dolled up Esteban, then drednut's estimate is high.
P.S. - I just went back one more time to view the listing. The case caught my eye. It is identical to the one that a friend had with his Esteban dreadnaught! I gave it away for him two weeks ago to a woman at work. She was thrilled to own a guitar of any kind, but I felt a little low giving it to her. The case was the best part of the deal! I had never seen an Esteban (he's the black-hatted, black-suited, sunglass-wearing huckster on late night TV). This was the worst piece of poop I've ever seen passed off as a guitar. Cheap pine; raw, ragged cutout for the electronics; terrible black paint job that had oversprayed through the soundhole all over the label. If the case gives us a clue that this questionable eBay listing is a dolled up Esteban, then drednut's estimate is high.
This guitar is also the subject of this current thread:To Arms Mounties, to Arms. In that thread is a link to the last auction where JHCrawLaw identified it as a Fender DG21S.
The 'Friends' he refers to in the current auction are Graham and I beating the crap out of him last time in the eBay Q&A; that's how he found out it was a Fender ... which nows owns Guild thus ... making it a Guild ... of sorts.
Last time, he said he was the victim of a sleazy pawnshop; this time he's a victim of circumstance. So long as none of us buy it thinking it's a Guild; that's about as good as it's going to get.
The 'Friends' he refers to in the current auction are Graham and I beating the crap out of him last time in the eBay Q&A; that's how he found out it was a Fender ... which nows owns Guild thus ... making it a Guild ... of sorts.
Last time, he said he was the victim of a sleazy pawnshop; this time he's a victim of circumstance. So long as none of us buy it thinking it's a Guild; that's about as good as it's going to get.
No, my estimate is based upon this: I wouldn't pay more than $75 for any fake, knock-off guitar, because it will likely end up being a wall-hanger, i.e., if it looks like rosewood, it's probably a thin sheet of rosewood veneer over plywood, etc.
ajgorman
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Hi Guys,
This is another pathetic example of a fraudulent attempt to copy a Guild guitar; the one that appeared a few weeks ago was just as poor. Some fool bought that one, too for ridiculous $$$! :shock: For those of us who are at least a little familiar with Guild guitars and some history, or at least have reference publications like Mr. Moust's the flaws and discrepancies are too numerous to mention.
Too bad for the individual (s) who have wasted dollars bidding. Some folks are just blind, which is why these scams work. He, the (winner?) will never get his money back. Can you imagine the reaction of the first pro musician to lay eyes on this Frankenstein? :shock:
The tone of the Q & A is also so nice...have you also noticed there is some other eBayer who always seems to make a supportive comment to these scams to fool the bidders? :x Maybe there's a network of them out there also.
This is another pathetic example of a fraudulent attempt to copy a Guild guitar; the one that appeared a few weeks ago was just as poor. Some fool bought that one, too for ridiculous $$$! :shock: For those of us who are at least a little familiar with Guild guitars and some history, or at least have reference publications like Mr. Moust's the flaws and discrepancies are too numerous to mention.
Too bad for the individual (s) who have wasted dollars bidding. Some folks are just blind, which is why these scams work. He, the (winner?) will never get his money back. Can you imagine the reaction of the first pro musician to lay eyes on this Frankenstein? :shock:
The tone of the Q & A is also so nice...have you also noticed there is some other eBayer who always seems to make a supportive comment to these scams to fool the bidders? :x Maybe there's a network of them out there also.
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For the benefit of those not members, I'll repeat my post:
You know what PT Barnum said.... :roll:
Let's see now,
"I am not that knowledgeable about guitars"
"But I will tell you the headstock is factory. It has not been messed with"
"handicapped"
"unemployed"
"Viet Nam Vet"
"Be Blessed"
Currently in a part of the country where thousands of "handicapped,unemployed,Vietnam "vets" collecting large government checks, camp out all day panhandling for more drug and alcohol money, followed by ..... "be blessed".
To bad we don't have a BIG RED FLAG smiley
You know what PT Barnum said.... :roll:
Let's see now,
"I am not that knowledgeable about guitars"
"But I will tell you the headstock is factory. It has not been messed with"
"handicapped"
"unemployed"
"Viet Nam Vet"
"Be Blessed"
Currently in a part of the country where thousands of "handicapped,unemployed,Vietnam "vets" collecting large government checks, camp out all day panhandling for more drug and alcohol money, followed by ..... "be blessed".
To bad we don't have a BIG RED FLAG smiley
Hi AJ; that first 'comment' was such a softball, I wondered the same thing. Maybe the seller went to his friend's house and teed up a sympathetic query: "Gosh, Mr. Man, what a fine instrument you have there ... blah blah..." - get something 'supportive' on the record before people like us started bombing him.ajgorman said:
Despite all the BS, he flat out says he doesn't know who made it. I mean, it's pretty tenuous but all the warnings are there.
cj
West R Lee
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I've been considering getting Ron Popeil to do some marketing for me, I was thinking of dubbing myself.....Westaban. We'll run for a solid hour from 3 am to 4 am. If I can just find a million people who buy into my spill, at say.....$100 apiece, well there you have it. I was going with the cowboy hat and a Zoro mask, wouldn't want anyone to see me anyway. I've been talking with Zamifir for advice.
Any thoughts?
West
Any thoughts?
West
Throw in some Ginsu knives and it's a deal!
john_kidder
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Now, now, go easy on the Ginsu knives.
My wife (then my girlfriend) and I were visiting my sister in Malibu in 1980 or so - we were in bed about 1 in the morning, and there on the TV were honest-to-god Ginsu knives, and all you had to do was phone someone and give them a credit card number. We didn't have magical stuff like that in Canada then (sure wish that were still true), so we giggled a lot and placed an order.
I'm here to tell you that 27 years later we've lost nearly all of that great kit, with its vegetable peelers and steak knives and various bits and pieces. But we still have the bread knife, serrated on one edge and scalloped on the other. The handle has been melted by various dishwashers. But it's still, yes it is, the best bread knife in he house, and it still cuts tomatoes and small nails.
I do draw the line at Esteban.
My wife (then my girlfriend) and I were visiting my sister in Malibu in 1980 or so - we were in bed about 1 in the morning, and there on the TV were honest-to-god Ginsu knives, and all you had to do was phone someone and give them a credit card number. We didn't have magical stuff like that in Canada then (sure wish that were still true), so we giggled a lot and placed an order.
I'm here to tell you that 27 years later we've lost nearly all of that great kit, with its vegetable peelers and steak knives and various bits and pieces. But we still have the bread knife, serrated on one edge and scalloped on the other. The handle has been melted by various dishwashers. But it's still, yes it is, the best bread knife in he house, and it still cuts tomatoes and small nails.
I do draw the line at Esteban.
West R Lee
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Great to hear John, I seriously may have to get myself some of those. Sort of like an old guitar, you have to give them 30 years to see how well they pan out.
My wife and I are living at my mom's old house now. As you mentioned the knives, I couldn't help but remember her origional Vegamatic that I guess she got back in the 60's. We still have it. Great device.
Thanks John for the old memories,
West
My wife and I are living at my mom's old house now. As you mentioned the knives, I couldn't help but remember her origional Vegamatic that I guess she got back in the 60's. We still have it. Great device.
Thanks John for the old memories,
West