Installing a master volume in an SF IV

[Jersey Paul]

I recently acquired a very cosmetically challenged 1967 SF IV that plays well and sounds great but really could use a master volume.

Any one here know what the value of the pot should be and where I could acquire a correct or nearly correct knob?

I assume it goes in the output jack circuit.

 

[Jersey Paul]

I recently acquired a very cosmetically challenged 1967 SF IV that plays well and sounds great but really could use a master volume.

Any one here know what the value of the pot should be and where I could acquire a correct or nearly correct knob?

I assume it goes in the output jack circuit.

 

[fronobulax]

Welcome.

The SF IV here does not have a master volume. The SF VI, on the same page has a master volume which is a 500K pot on the hot side of the output jack. Given the similarity between the diagrams and pot values, I would feel comfortable using the diagram of the VI to modify the IV.

Note that the diagrams are undated but my experience (which is limited) is that they are good over a wide range of dates.

 

[fronobulax]

Welcome.

The SF IV here does not have a master volume. The SF VI, on the same page has a master volume which is a 500K pot on the hot side of the output jack. Given the similarity between the diagrams and pot values, I would feel comfortable using the diagram of the VI to modify the IV.

Note that the diagrams are undated but my experience (which is limited) is that they are good over a wide range of dates.

 

[Jersey Paul]

Perfect. And, I have no reason not to drill a hole in a guitar that in is in such bad shape.

 

[Jersey Paul]

Perfect. And, I have no reason not to drill a hole in a guitar that in is in such bad shape.

 

[coastie99]

Perfect. And, I have no reason not to drill a hole in a guitar that in is in such bad shape.

SHUDDER !!

Best of luck JP.

 

[coastie99]

Perfect. And, I have no reason not to drill a hole in a guitar that in is in such bad shape.

SHUDDER !!

Best of luck JP.

 

[Jersey Paul]

This guitar was stuffed into a basement apartment corner for 20 years by a bass payer friend who bought it in 1982 and never played it. She wanted to sell a it in a package deal with a1982 Fender Princeton bought at the same time and also never played. I offered $750 for the pair and she accepted.

The guitar is missing some of the mother of pearl -- the big center piece on the headstock and the “D” in Guild.

The finish is all checked and cracked and there are some random deep scratches. A previous owner had drilled some extra holes to replace the pick guard with a different pick guard. The back looks like it was played by some one who glued extra course sand paper to his belt buckle. There was so much dirt and grime that I didn’t know is was blond until I took a damp cloth to the finish.

But the neck, after a quick set up, is fine the frets are good, and the mini buckers sound great.

The amp aside from dirt, is perfect except the grill cloth which was attacked by the bass players cat and needs replacing.

 

[Jersey Paul]

This guitar was stuffed into a basement apartment corner for 20 years by a bass payer friend who bought it in 1982 and never played it. She wanted to sell a it in a package deal with a1982 Fender Princeton bought at the same time and also never played. I offered $750 for the pair and she accepted.

The guitar is missing some of the mother of pearl -- the big center piece on the headstock and the “D” in Guild.

The finish is all checked and cracked and there are some random deep scratches. A previous owner had drilled some extra holes to replace the pick guard with a different pick guard. The back looks like it was played by some one who glued extra course sand paper to his belt buckle. There was so much dirt and grime that I didn’t know is was blond until I took a damp cloth to the finish.

But the neck, after a quick set up, is fine the frets are good, and the mini buckers sound great.

The amp aside from dirt, is perfect except the grill cloth which was attacked by the bass players cat and needs replacing.

 

[fronobulax]

the grill cloth which was attacked by the bass players cat and needs replacing.

ROFL. I hope this is not a trend. So far, this bass player's cat leaves the equipment alone except to try and sleep in any case that stays open too long.

 

[fronobulax]

the grill cloth which was attacked by the bass players cat and needs replacing.

ROFL. I hope this is not a trend. So far, this bass player's cat leaves the equipment alone except to try and sleep in any case that stays open too long.

 

[Jersey Paul]

I'll be kind and refrain from bass player jokes which mostly involve not being able to count above four.

Any ideas where I could get some precut mother of toilet seat to replace the missing pieces?

How about a knob that wouldn't look out of place. on thr new master volume pot

Used the SF and the Princeton at a gig in a small room on Tuesday. The mini-buckers have almost a P-90 chimey sound and the little amp was plenty loud enough for a small room -- even with a drummer.

Any one want to buy an Epiphone Sheraton? I don’t think I’ll be playing it much now.

 

[Jersey Paul]

I'll be kind and refrain from bass player jokes which mostly involve not being able to count above four.

Any ideas where I could get some precut mother of toilet seat to replace the missing pieces?

How about a knob that wouldn't look out of place. on thr new master volume pot

Used the SF and the Princeton at a gig in a small room on Tuesday. The mini-buckers have almost a P-90 chimey sound and the little amp was plenty loud enough for a small room -- even with a drummer.

Any one want to buy an Epiphone Sheraton? I don’t think I’ll be playing it much now.

 

[The Guilds of Grot]

Hey! Watch what you say about Bass players!

Here's some headstock inlays on ebay;

http://cgi.ebay.com/Guild-Logo-Pegh...39:1|66:2|65:10|240:1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

My girl friends cats try to get in the case before I can even get the guitar out! :? :wink:

 

[The Guilds of Grot]

Hey! Watch what you say about Bass players!

Here's some headstock inlays on ebay;

http://cgi.ebay.com/Guild-Logo-Pegh...39:1|66:2|65:10|240:1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

My girl friends cats try to get in the case before I can even get the guitar out! :? :wink:

 

[jp]

Hey Jersey Paul,
Welcome to the LTG! That's quite a nice deal you got. If you want to retain authenticity, a trusted luthier should be able replace the missing MOP. That is the more difficult route, however. It'll be hard match the aged color of the remaining inlay. The easier method is to just replace the complete overlay a la GoG's post. Post some pics. We like pics, even of ugly stepchildren! Also, I don't know if there were ever any blonde SF IVs in '67, but with Guild, one never knows. My guess is that it probably is a refin. If it is, then you shouldn't feel guilty about your own refin. If you PM/email Hans Moust (username -- hansmoust), he can probably tell you more about it.

Is the amp you bought a 1982 Fender Princeton Reverb II? If it is, you got a killer deal on a great little amp. These Fenders are sleepers. Paul Rivera (custom amp builder) designed several models of Fender amps from '81-84. These are all-tube, hand-wired amps that were designed to compete with Mesa Boogies. Off the top of my head, I think they take 7025/12AX7/ECC83 preamp tubes, a 12AT7, and 6V6 power tubes. Supposedly, they are infinitely moddable, and you can "blackface" them with the removal of one capacitor. I've always been intrigued by them, and they're still very affordable, albeit scarce. Here's a page telling all about them.

Cheers and happy happy!

edit: Okay, so I'm checking out that PRII website, and I see that Fender claims it was Ed Jahns that designed the Princeton Reverb II! Funny that this is the first time I've ever read that. Always heard it was Rivera. Oh well, it's still a great amp! Here's a link to the info: http://www.geocities.com/princerev2/magazine.html

 

[jp]

Hey Jersey Paul,
Welcome to the LTG! That's quite a nice deal you got. If you want to retain authenticity, a trusted luthier should be able replace the missing MOP. That is the more difficult route, however. It'll be hard match the aged color of the remaining inlay. The easier method is to just replace the complete overlay a la GoG's post. Post some pics. We like pics, even of ugly stepchildren! Also, I don't know if there were ever any blonde SF IVs in '67, but with Guild, one never knows. My guess is that it probably is a refin. If it is, then you shouldn't feel guilty about your own refin. If you PM/email Hans Moust (username -- hansmoust), he can probably tell you more about it.

Is the amp you bought a 1982 Fender Princeton Reverb II? If it is, you got a killer deal on a great little amp. These Fenders are sleepers. Paul Rivera (custom amp builder) designed several models of Fender amps from '81-84. These are all-tube, hand-wired amps that were designed to compete with Mesa Boogies. Off the top of my head, I think they take 7025/12AX7/ECC83 preamp tubes, a 12AT7, and 6V6 power tubes. Supposedly, they are infinitely moddable, and you can "blackface" them with the removal of one capacitor. I've always been intrigued by them, and they're still very affordable, albeit scarce. Here's a page telling all about them.

Cheers and happy happy!

edit: Okay, so I'm checking out that PRII website, and I see that Fender claims it was Ed Jahns that designed the Princeton Reverb II! Funny that this is the first time I've ever read that. Always heard it was Rivera. Oh well, it's still a great amp! Here's a link to the info: http://www.geocities.com/princerev2/magazine.html

 

[Jersey Paul]

It looks like the blond was a custom color.
http://www.vintageguitars.org.uk/guildStarfire4.php

And the pic is the spitting image of mine minus the cosmetic problems and the remaining grime. I might try a few drops of Murphy’s Oil Soap in water and see if it cleans up some more.

Mostly, I’m a Tele player and this is my first experience with the mini buckers. I must say I’m impressed. They have more bite than the full sized buckers and a richer tone than the single coils.

As to the amp, I’ve played through one before. It’s the basic 1982 12 watt Princeton Reverb with the pull out volume boost. I had played the guitar and amp at her house a few years ago and had been asking the bass player every so often if she wanted to sell either or both.

The amp is a bit liter than my Blues Deluxe and seems to have more than enough volume for the places we play. Tubes and speaker are all original. I’ll have to get some correct grill cloth.

The sound is lot like my 66 BF Bassman but to get good sounds from the Baseman, it needs a pedal or ear splitting volume.

http://snapptones.com/

 

[Jersey Paul]

It looks like the blond was a custom color.
http://www.vintageguitars.org.uk/guildStarfire4.php

And the pic is the spitting image of mine minus the cosmetic problems and the remaining grime. I might try a few drops of Murphy’s Oil Soap in water and see if it cleans up some more.

Mostly, I’m a Tele player and this is my first experience with the mini buckers. I must say I’m impressed. They have more bite than the full sized buckers and a richer tone than the single coils.

As to the amp, I’ve played through one before. It’s the basic 1982 12 watt Princeton Reverb with the pull out volume boost. I had played the guitar and amp at her house a few years ago and had been asking the bass player every so often if she wanted to sell either or both.

The amp is a bit liter than my Blues Deluxe and seems to have more than enough volume for the places we play. Tubes and speaker are all original. I’ll have to get some correct grill cloth.

The sound is lot like my 66 BF Bassman but to get good sounds from the Baseman, it needs a pedal or ear splitting volume.

http://snapptones.com/