hi Guild lovers i am here again with new questions....

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ok ..as i said before i own a 1958 F20 who has been restored... only missing painting, and in almost ten years of work a stupid old liuther erase Guild logo from my headstock. i decided to rewrite on the headstock and i ask you: you know what kind of black paint is right for headstock? Matt varnish?acrylic? and naturally what kind of GOLD for the logo?.... thanks
 

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why did the luthier paint over it? was there a specific reason? I am not trying to judge the man, I just find it interesting that someone would paint over a headstock logo.
 

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why did the luthier paint over it? was there a specific reason? I am not trying to judge the man, I just find it interesting that someone would paint over a headstock logo.
It Was very old and sick of brain tumor , now is Dead. He He was a jackass, not fit for work
 

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Limited experience here, but you may need to seal the grain? Then shoot Nitro lacquer, let dry for weeks, wet sand, reshoot, wait, sand, reshoot, etc. When it is right, have an artist paint the Guild Logo in Gold paint. You can alway dull it slightly to match the aging on the guitar, dulling compounds (fine white clay?) are easily available. Then bump the edges of the headstock here and there around the house like normal for a few chips, and voila, like it never happened. If there is much checking on your guitar, you can get the Nitro to craze with applications of canned refrigerant, as is commonly done by relic-ing experts.
 

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Limited experience here, but you may need to seal the grain? Then shoot Nitro lacquer, let dry for weeks, wet sand, reshoot, wait, sand, reshoot, etc. When it is right, have an artist paint the Guild Logo in Gold paint. You can alway dull it slightly to match the aging on the guitar, dulling compounds (fine white clay?) are easily available. Then bump the edges of the headstock here and there around the house like normal for a few chips, and voila, like it never happened. If there is much checking on your guitar, you can get the Nitro to craze with applications of canned refrigerant, as is commonly done by relic-ing experts.
I dont know if exists a mask to paint headstock
Limited experience here, but you may need to seal the grain? Then shoot Nitro lacquer, let dry for weeks, wet sand, reshoot, wait, sand, reshoot, etc. When it is right, have an artist paint the Guild Logo in Gold paint. You can alway dull it slightly to match the aging on the guitar, dulling compounds (fine white clay?) are easily available. Then bump the edges of the headstock here and there around the house like normal for a few chips, and voila, like it never happened. If there is much checking on your guitar, you can get the Nitro to craze with applications of canned refrigerant, as is commonly done by relic-ing experts.
Thank you
 

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have you considered buying a headstock overlay?
Where i can buy overlay? I think its rare because is 1958, and seems painted
No, I would not put a headstock or peghead overlay veneer on that guitar as that would make the headstock only thicker! There is no missing veneer on your guitar, the headstock on your guitar was just sanded! So you need to first mask the entire guitar with tape in order not to spray filler and black paint on other parts, apply filler to make the wood smooth again and close the pores, sand it and start spraying it with black nitro. Spraying nitro is a slow process, like Guildedagain already said, shoot Nitro lacquer, let dry for days (no need for weeks on a headstock), wet sand, reshoot, wait, sand, reshoot, etc. until you have the desired black result. Plenty of videos on youtube how to repair (spray) for instance broken Les Paul headstocks, same process here.

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Making a silk screen mask for the "Guild" script logo is possible but not easy. There is no existing such mask! You need to make it by yourself. You basically search for a high quality picture and use a graphic program on a computer to create a detailed copy.

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You also could create and use a decal which you also create using a computer and a graphic program. Watch the videos, there are plenty on the internet:




Another methode is shown by Dan Erlewine on a Gibson, but that might be way harder for the Guild script logo:




Silk-screening is the more correct way, but also more difficult however would get you best results for the Guild logo. Watch what it involves:




Producing the mesh stencil for the silk screen is quite difficult, you might inquire in your local area if there are specialized graphic companies who can help you with this.




Ralf
 
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Ralf, I'm not going to take up all the space to quote you, but with those videos, that is one detailed and informative answer! (y)

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So I'm lying here with my new hip whacked out on pain meds watching all these headstock logos and silk screening videos. Other than missing the "lacquer high" this is about as good as postop gets!! Thanks Ralf!! :eek:
 

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A headstock is almost like the face on the guitar? Something we endlessly obsess over it. Shape being everything, then color, tuners, inlays, overlays, etc. It's also the part that takes the most hits as you navigate through the maze of life.

Ralf; I said weeks because what what the repairman told me, and he had my guitar for almost 2 years before I could get it back, botched. So wish I'd done it myself in retrospect...
 

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You should plan to spray clear nitro over the the decal (or over the paint, if you paint it) to protect it.

Does anyone make vintage-style decals suitable for this particular Guild? I've never seen one.

Good luck!
 

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Ralf; I said weeks because what what the repairman told me...
He was right if you talk about a complete refinish of a guitar where you built up level and level of NC and want it to be hard enough to polish it between spraying. But on a "small" headstock you can shorten that process and even slightly warm it (I'm just talking a few degrees, not more!) to speed up the process between spray jobs. The whole process still takes some weeks in total.
Does anyone make vintage-style decals suitable for this particular Guild? I've never seen one.
No, hence I posted the videos how to do them!
I remember when we used to be able to buy those Guild rooftop slide decals online! Those were the days. Now, not so much.
But those would not fit that vintage of a guitar!
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But those would not fit that vintage of a guitar!
Ralf
No, of course not, Ralf. It's just that we had a source of them before they got shut down. Those coulda helped some people on lower end and more modern guitars for an easy fix. Since we've been seeing them lately I really liked the rooftop logos that Corona used on the D25 acoustics. Don't know if they were slip decals or silk screening, but the red outlined in white gave them a nice, finished look I think. I really like those Corona, CA D25's!!

Whomever messed with that old script headstock was obviously not in his right mind.
 
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