Headstock Shape Question

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Dadaist said:
Just to add some more to the discussion of headstocks, here's the Artist Award, which seems to not have changed throughout it's production life and was an option on other models. I've only seen it in photos of custom F-50s and F-612s.....has anyone ever seen it attached to any other models, i.e. Dreadnaughts?
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I'm pretty sure that Guild used an unbound AA headstock on the M-85 basses;

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It was then carried on to the B-300/400 series;

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Also used on the SB-200 series;

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And lastly the B-4/30/50/500's

B-50;

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B-500;

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hansmoust said:
The Guilds of Grot said:
I'm pretty sure that Guild used an unbound AA headstock on the M-85 basses

No way Kurt! You'd wish life was that simple!

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Ah crap! I hate to be corrected by the Master! :oops: Oh well. nothing ventured, nothing gained!

(Note I did say "pretty sure" to give me some wiggle room. :wink: )

So how different are they? I don't recall any mention about the bass headstock redesign from the Starfires to the M-75s in your book. (Boy I hope I haven't missed this and get corrected again! :shock: )
 

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The Guilds of Grot said:
So how different are they?

Dadaist said:
the Artist Award, which seems to not have changed throughout it's production life and was an option on other models. I've only seen it in photos of custom F-50s and F-612s.....has anyone ever seen it attached to any other models

Well, it was not used for the F-612 but there were several other models that had the 'Artist Award' style headstock, like the George Barnes A/E model and the Deep Starfire VII/Custom 7.

Made a quick shot of two headstocks from the same period; an M-85 and the 'Artist Award' style headstock of a Deep Starfire VII/ Custom 7.

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At a glance they may look similar but they are actually quite different. If you want to know how different they really are, here are some measurements ( ....but then again my girlfriend says that we guys worry too much about size).

M-85 measurements first, Starfire VII second:

Total lenth: 20,8 cm vs. 22 cm.
Width at the top part: 10,5 cm vs. 11,2 cm.
Width at the lower part: 8,2 cm vs. 8,4 cm.
Width at the waist is about the same, which means the Starfire VII is a little more 'flared'; more graceful if you will.

I don't recall any mention about the bass headstock redesign from the Starfires to the M-75s in your book.

Guild designs and shapes changed all the time as you may have noticed. As far as the headstocks are concerned, those changed gradually as well. Some changes were a little more apparent, others can only be detected by getting out the callipers. For the book I limited myself to the 'overall' shape; basically just the change from 'center dip' to 'center raised' style but there were many more changes. The 'volute' was one of the other obvious changes but to document them all in the book would have taken up too much space.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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Thank you Hans for taking the time to compile that post!

They are close enough to be confused, but definitely different!
 
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Hi Pike, Would you consider selling your Guild D66. I've been looking for a nice one for months now.
 

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I own a 1987 D60 and a 2000 JF30 and both have the Snake head stok. I also own a 2015 M240 with normal size
 

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Wow!! Talk about a NECRO-THREAD!!! I'd only been a member here 1.5 ish years or so. This was a fun revisit. And Dadaist and I are still friends after all these years, believe it or not spoke to him just the other day. He and his wife moved recently from the LA area and his last Las Vegas visit for work was cancelled so haven't seen him in a couple of years. That Martin Headstock link is a real trip. See, this kinda history reminds me why this is the best guitar forum in the world!! So whyever it happend, thanks!!! (y)
 
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