HB1 Pickup Height - what's your optimum distance to the strings?

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I'm experiencing a lot of issues with inconsistency in volume from one guitar to the next, and I'm realizing that it probably has more to do with variances in pickup height than anything else. I'm wondering what your preferred distance from top of the pole piece to bottom of the string is. I'm looking for the pickup distance for both the bridge and the neck pickup and for both the low E and high E strings.

any help is appreciated and thanks!

Kent
 

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I'm experiencing a lot of issues with inconsistency in volume from one guitar to the next, and I'm realizing that it probably has more to do with variances in pickup height than anything else. I'm wondering what your preferred distance from top of the pole piece to bottom of the string is. I'm looking for the pickup distance for both the bridge and the neck pickup and for both the low E and high E strings.

any help is appreciated and thanks!

Kent

I'm not home to check on the distance between string and p'up, but my experience with this, is that it will often vary from bridge to neck p'up (to achieve volume balance), and (depending on the reason why you're asking) is difficult to set up from a living room setting, should the goal be to have a balance in volume between both p'ups on a stage environment (HB 1 or other).
Just pointing this out as I remember a bad experience getting on stage (a loud one too), with a new guitar that sounded awesome and balanced at home, and wondering what the hell happened after I switched from one p'up to the other, and almost disappeared from the radar in the sound system...
So not saying you can't set this up from home, but you have to crank the amp up to stage volume (again if the goal is to achieve volume balance from one p'up to the other in a band settings).
 

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Great tip on testing at "full" volume. A lot of pickup makers actually list their specs, but I don't know if Guild ever did that. I think my guitars are all over the map, so I'm hoping that someone has a "starting position" that will get my guitars within a range that will only require a little tweaking.
 

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Wow! I'm shocked this hasn't been discussed before. I am also interested in what others have to say. I'm down to 2 guitars with HB1's ('73 S-100 and '76 S-90) and I haven't compared them yet, but I know the S-90 has more output.

I'll be looking for my ruler first thing when I get home tonight.
 

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I searched my documents and found instructions which I don't know what the source is, I copied it from somewhere on the internet, maybe even from somebody at LTG ???
All the text below is from that unknown (to me) source:

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Guild (later Westerly) set humbuckers with a gap of 1/16" (1.59mm) treble side and 3/32" (2.38mm) bass -- between the top of the pickups and the bottom of the strings, fretted at the last fret.
I like mine a tad lower, but it's a general rule to get you in the ball park of your personal preference.
In my experience, just let your ears decide: set to the approximate height as per the specs and then try it out. treble side is always a bit higher. Put your amp loud enough on a clean setting and using the pickup switch try neck and bridge separately to make sure they come out at the same volume both in strumming mode and individual string picking. Too low the guitar will sound flat and lack tone, too close to the strings weird things happen; buzzing, unpleasant overtones, and the guitar may sound out of tune due to pull of magnet on the string. It's best to set both pickups with equal volume. You can always favor one over the other using the individual volume pots.

For the record mine are at the following distances from the strings and sounds just right (to my ear anyway):
Neck bass side - 3.5 mm, treble side - 2 mm
Bridge bass side - 2 mm, treble side - just a hair over 1 mm
(with ruler sitting on top of pickup pole screw):
I am just going thru this in my IV. I am playing thru a Marshall Class 5 and when I first got the amp I was unable to use the EQ - base had to be set to zero. In search of new pickups I found a lot of information on this topic at Seymour Duncan's Forum. There are several 335 players there who recommended lowering the front pick up on semi-hollows even with , or lower than the front ring. I have no experience with pickups but it piqued my curiosity so I followed their suggestions and am surprised and very happy with the results.

Since mud is not my thing I used the front pickup as my test piece.

First I set all the pole pieces level with the front pickup. Then I lowered the front pickup as described and immediately I could use the EQ on the amp. Then I adjusted the poles until they followed the contour of the fret board. I lowered the Low E pole (as suggested) a half turn below the pickup. This allowed me to use the base control on the amp. For some reason the Fender pickups seem to be sensitive to the B string on my guitar so I drove that pole down even with the top of the pickup. I would strum a 1st position G chord and listen for any strings sounding louder than the others.

I then set the height of the rear pickup to match the volume of the front pickup and followed a similar pattern for the poles. Some set this to be slightly louder so they can set the two guitar volumes the same, but have a little more presence on the bridge for lead work.

After playing this for several days I removed the strings and using a 6" rule and a line level I leveled the guitar until the neck was level and then leveled the pickups front to back and side to side (pickups level to strings). Then restrung and played some more tweaking the poles.

Finally, last night, I had the amp at volume fairly low. I turned the guitar volume to zero and then would pluck a string and bring the guitar volume up until I could just hear the string thru the amp. Then I moved to the next string and repeated. I would adjust the pole pieces until each string could be heard at the same volume setting on the guitar.

When it is said and done the poles look random and strange, but they are adjusted to each individual string voicing.

***END OF QUOTE***

EDIT: I found my source! One source is hideglue and other members at LTG! Sounds like I copied the above for myself sometime ago from various posts from here: http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?165032-Pick-up-height-on-SF-IV

Ralf
 
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I adjust individual poles to get proper string volume balance & it tends to mostly be like the diagram below:

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It comes from this article: http://gretschpages.com/articles/mals-big-guide-guitar-setup-and-troubleshooting/

I play the same notes on two adjacent strings i.e. 12th fret on G string, 8th fret on 2nd string, to compare volumes. Usually the pickup is slanted a bit such that the treble side of the pickup is a bit higher than the bass side & I have the 1st string pile piece quite close to the string - sometimes just 2 or 3 mm under it.
 
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I have the NS bridge pup up as high as it will go. Haven't run into any weirdness, possibly because that pup has less output than the neck output. I will most likely swap out the tone pot for the neck to a 500K when time permits.
 
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This is a great topic and I have done a lot of tinkering with the various pick up heights on my guitars. I usually adjust the height of the neck pick up until I like the sound and then adjust the bridge up or down to balance the two out. Then I will adjust the string balance with the pole screws. I find that I have my Guild HB-1 pick ups adjusted closer to the strings than my Gibson humbuckers and the Duncan Seth Lover pick ups in my GSR Starfire VI and my Les Paul. This is kind of counterintuitive as I think the HB-1 pickups seem to be higher output than most my Gibson pick ups or the Seth Lovers. I play with fairly clean tones and I have noticed that, to me the pick up height makes a bigger difference when playing clean. I find if it sounds good with a clean signal it will sound good with some dirt or guitar volume down and the amp turned up. Naturally it's all up to personal taste.
Thanks John
 

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I don't have a set height. I adjust the pole pieces to achieve a balanced output for all strings, and then I adjust the height of the pickups to what sounds best on each individual guitar.
 
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I think every guitar has it's own sweet spot, be it strings, setup or pick up adjustments.
Thanks John
 
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